LibrePlanet Logo Use
Hi I'm Aris
I'm currently organizing the LibrePlanet Group Part of our invitation and recruitment is to have a t-shirt give away using our LibrePlanet logo.
I want to ask permission to the group to use it in any material that we may need in and I tried to email info @ fsf and some LibrePlanet member but still I don't receive any feedback so with my best knowledge and objective with the group. I'm going to use the logo in our material for the purpose of advocating "Free Software".
[Update] I recieve Email from Matt Lee and everything is good to go. Thanks Matt.
Main page grouped by continents?
Hi , Here Ananth ,
It is Great Moment , I Inspired by Richards Philosophy ,
we need freedom to do some thing ,
Thanks and regards,
Ananth , Kiran Kumar
I've noticed two sets of redundant information one set more filled out that the other listing activists and continents/countries/states etc I feel this is a terrible way to organize and really there should only be one set of information.
Also, the list of free software related clubs is not well filled out. Should we put regular old Linux User groups (even some members of them feel the whole GNU/Linux thing is too zealous) or leave a trisquel like policy on groups that are included?
I would like to make the wiki better, but I don't want to end up making it worse.
Content and Purpose
The current event and community project pages are intended for, well events and projects. Apparently there is a conflict between the high traffic main page and suitable placement on other pages, potentially causing an edit war.
Clearly, we need to arrive at an agreement and avoid giving the wrong message to other groups (all parties involved are FSF, I believe). Since the issue is about content, this is a good place to discuss it.
To avoid escalating the situation, I have not removed the event link, but believe the one on the current events page is sufficient. There is no apparent culture here, so we should be careful what foundation we provide. Personally, I am trying to expand the wiki and realize it will take time before other users start exploring it again. However, the LibrePlanet event can assist in this process.
The Libre Planet project is specifically for webmasters to lay down the law and everyone else to comment on it. The Libre Planet group is intended specifically for the FSF to provide resource materials for Libre Planet, group networking, and upcomming FSF events.
The ugly banner I added intentionally focuses on the other pages, to create public awareness because they now have important content.
All I have done has been with the best intentions and ability. If I have offended anyone by my actions, I apologize. Blacky 07:17, 10 February 2009 (EST)
Usability feedback and Groups
When I saw a comment on Talk:GNU Generation, I went looking for the PlayOgg page. What I tried:
- manually type in http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/PlayOgg - blank page
- go to Main Page and use browser's find function for "playogg" - not there
- clicked the "… further results" link at the bottom of the "My Group" box on the front page, then clicked the "500" so that I see all entries; use browser's find function for "playogg" - not there
- Put "playogg" into the search box in the left-hand side of page - no hits
- Scrolled down a little on the search results page and saw a "Groups" box, ticked it, and clicked "Search" - still no hits
- Repeated the previous step but this time I scrolled down further and saw there's a second, separate button for "Advanced search", clicked that - Bingo! Group:PlayOgg
But had I not seen the comment on Talk:GNU Generation, and if I wasn't a regular wiki user, I wouldn't have found it. The failure of the second last step is a MediaWiki usability problem, probably not simple to fix. Some ideas for reducing the other problems:
- PlayOgg should be made a #REDIRECT to Group:PlayOgg, and equivalent for all other groups
- The MediaWiki search facility should include "Group" in its searches by default, instead of just "(Main)"
- Maybe the Main Page should somehow offer quick/direct access to the things/groups people are most likely to come looking for
- Maybe pages like Group:PlayOgg should be in Category:Group so that they appear when people click the "… further results" link at the bottom of the "My Group" box on the front page
Other ideas on improving intuitivity? Ciaran 01:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with all those suggestions. I'd noticed the searching problem as well. I think maybe we can change that in our defaults. For right now, I'll ask about fixing the search, and I'll work on putting the groups into the group category. I'm hoping that Semantic MediaWiki will also help with this, because we will give pages properties that indicate that they are groups. --Johns 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- The search issue is finally fixed. It will now look in the Group namespace by default, so that should go a long way toward helping people find things. We are also working on adding the [[is entity::group]] property to all the groups. I've added a link to what will be a full Group list to the front page as well. Johns 17:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Turn the Free Software Directory into a wiki?
The FSF's Free Software Directory is quite out of date. I think a wiki construct would serve much better as several people could change facts as they happen. Most pieces of free software are not notable enough by the standards of Wikipedia and thus not included there. 3rd party information on free software programs would likely be very useful for the multitude of use cases there are and will be. Do you agree? Mviinama 12:19, 24 November 2010 (EST)
- We're working on that right now :). Johns 19:14, 24 November 2010 (EST)
- I agree that making the directory in a wiki construct is something needed. Is it done yet? Gonzo1 01:12, 26 January 2012 (EST)
Create a presentations/tutorials repository
Maybe the wiki could serve as some kind of repository for uploading tutorials or presentations for free software speeches. This way people may easily find info if they want to organize something about free software. Zuarko 23:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- I made a list of good talk transcripts on FSFE's wiki: http://wiki.fsfe.org/Transcripts
- . Ciaran 14:11, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
Random page don't work sometimes
This is what I get. How come? Mviinama 09:29, 26 July 2011 (EDT)
Place for general wiki discussion?
I have some questions about edits I'm planning. Most wikis use Talk:Main_Page for discussing the Main_Page, and have another place for general discussion (the "water fountain", "help desk", "cafe", "beerhouse" or whatever).
Does such a page exist on libreplanet? If not, can we make one?
(I know there's a mailing list, and that could be useful for a low-volume thing that sysadmins can monitor, but it's bad for general discussion since wiki users don't see mails sent there, and list members don't see changes made to the wiki and linking between them is awkward with no benefit.) Ciaran 11:25, 11 December 2011 (EST)
- Well, considering that the activity on this wiki is quite low, I think the best place for general talk is quite here for a while. When there it will be more activity, we will make a separate page like "Cafe". Gonzo1 01:19, 26 January 2012 (EST)
I would like to I place an image from Wikimedia Commons on my user page. Some image like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lactarius_indigo_48568_edit.jpg Can I link it directly or do I have to upload it? Gonzo1 01:26, 26 January 2012 (EST)
- Yes, you can hotlink it. See http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia/technical#Hotlinking Mviinama 07:00, 2 August 2012 (EDT)
Better help for programs
I think there should be an accessible web forum for those who want to ask questions about a certain program. For example the people who want to ask questions about Wget should have the opportunity to ask such questions. For the moment, they have to ask on another forums, like computing.net, stackoverflow.com, and so on. Or at least we should build an additional FAQ for each program, where we answer to some common questions. For example a question about Grep that anyone might ask is: "How to search for UTF-8" strings?. I found the solution on another forum: . I think the FAQ should answer such basic questions. The mailing lists are really not so accessible and inteligible for regular users who just want to ask a question. Gonzo1 02:38, 26 January 2012 (EST)
Category:FsfSysAdmin may be out of date
I found two broken freedsoftware.org links on Category:FsfSysAdmin, they were added in 2009 but a spammer now owns that domain.
It might be worth skimming that page for other out of date stuff. Ciaran 07:00, 2 August 2012 (EDT)
Where do I list my new page?
I've made this page:
It isn't a group and doesn't need a group to form around it, and it isn't an essay either. It's just part of the wiki - an article, which I'll improve from time to time and I hope other transients will too. Does this wiki have a section for normal wiki pages :-) ? Ciaran 20:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
- And this page:
- Should I make a box on the Main Page for these pages?
- Maybe the wiki needs a sitemap? The structure of this wiki seems to be missing something. It doesn't have the organic growth model, or the interconnectedness of other wikis. Is it possible that an over emphasis on Groups is harming the structure? Maybe a mixed Groups+normal_pages model would be better? Ciaran 17:26, 26 August 2012 (EDT)
Pages I made - happy home sought
I've still no idea where to link to these pages:
- Good and bad licence changes
- When is digital inclusion good?
- Governments developing free software
- Programming in elisp
- Programming in Scheme
- Programming in c
- When should firmware be free
- Projects to free phones and handheld computers
. Ciaran 01:10, 22 January 2013 (EST) (UPDATED)
I'm back complaining again... :-)
I was looking at this page:
and I wanted to look at the pages for the other High Priority Projects. So I trim the URL and try:
but find nothing. So I do a search for "priority" and pick the two most likely:
but neither give me any way to find the pages for the other High Priority Projects.
On the home page, nothing springs out at me but I look in "Software Groups". I skim the text and find "software groups category".
When I looked at that page, I realised: this wiki is made by a programmer, not a wiki user.
So here's my annual comment (for 2012) about usability: I can't say I'm a guru (my authority is ruined by the lack of a contributor community on en.swpat.org), but I think that libreplanet.org should have a higher ratio of regular contributors to short-term contributors. The abundance of the latter indicates that lots of people are hearing about libreplanet.org and are interested in the idea and they're willing to make a page about something, but the fact that they don't come back and maintain that page or contribute to other pages means there's something wrong with the site. Maybe it's that the site uses too many extensions and departs too much from what people expect a wiki -and particularly a MediaWiki wiki- to be.
Wikis are pages of editable text where bits of that text can link to other pages and they should, IMO, generally resemble what people are familiar with: Wikipedia. From years of editing wikis, I've seen that contributors tolerate inefficiency, and I suspect that they don't tolerate complexity or surprises. ...but until I've built a wiki with a thriving community, these comments are just one person's thoughts.
Happy New Year! Ciaran 15:16, 31 December 2012 (EST)
Could the pages from WikiEmacs be moved here?
There's a wiki about Emacs at http://wikemacs.org
...but the operator is thinking of shutting down. It was started by some people discontent with http://www.emacswiki.org
I didn't know about Wikemacs until today when I read the announcement that it would shut down. emacswiki.org does have some problems, and I think a MediaWiki site is a worth trying, so how about putting the Wikemacs pages here on libreplanet?
I haven't looked at the licences at all.
Second issue is how to integrate the pages. I'm hesitant to use a "group", I'd much rather stick to vanilla wiki style, but we would need something to mark the new pages as being part of a collection. An infobox in the top-right of each page should suffice, like Wikipedia does. Ciaran 20:19, 29 January 2013 (EST)
Where around the web are video, audio, transcripts from the conference?...
- Hi. I don't know where they will be put, but I know that it usually takes a few weeks, sometimes quite a few weeks to get all that video processed. Ciaran 05:04, 22 May 2013 (EDT)