Difference between revisions of "Fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems"

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Use https://gitlab.com/ryanwhite/webmail-systems pull requests. - The page is maintained by Ryan says the FSF.

Issue for https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems. The proper FSF email address to send this issue to is: resources@fsf.org

Todo

Urgent

Add this to https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems under "Not Recommended": Apple iCloud (@icloud.com. Old emails: @me.com, @mac.com) -- iCloud account creation requires Apple devices (either an iOS device or a Mac).
Change "@msn.com" to "@msn.com"
Sort Microsoft Outlook.com alphabetically in the list
Add "Tor operated: TorGuerrillaMail under "These disposable email services have been verified to work without proprietary JavaScript:"

OpenMailBox

https://www.openmailbox.org/why-we-were-down
https://www.reddit.com/r/openmailbox/comments/9ffqap/what_is_happening_with_openmailbox/
https://www.techmansworld.com/2017/08/openmailbox-removes-imap-support-for.html
- IMAP status seems to be ok at https://www.openmailbox.org/service-state though. But Icedove cannot connect as described below.

Cannot create account

The "Create my account" opens the CAPTCHA each time I click on it no mattter if I've finished the CAPTCHA several times.

Broken Thunderbird settings

[I have emailed this issue to the OpenMailBox team 2019-03-20]

It's not possible to add OpenMailBox accounts in Thunderbird that displays this warning message:

Thunderbird failed to find the settings for your email account.

I've seen this error message that also made it impossible to add an account:

Certificate Status
This site attempts to identify itself with invalid information.

Wrong Site
The certificate belongs to a different site, which could mean that someone is trying to impersonate this site.

It's not possible to use the "Confirm Security Exception" button.

The "Get Certificate" button reads:

No Information Available
Unable to obtain identification status for this site.

I guess we should move OpenMailBox under the "Under Review" section and include the above text to it.

Riseup

Structure the links and add Tor links:

Riseup[1]
- Roundcube, SquirrelMail
- Tor: Roundcube. See Riseups Tor onion services for email configuration

1: "In order to create a Red Account you will need an invite. Obtain an Invite Code from a friend." - https://riseup.net/en/email/settings/mail-accounts#how-do-i-create-an-email-account

New services

These new webmail services could be added to the "Recommended section in https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems :

Bitmessage.ch (requires Tor Browser despite not being an .onion address)
- Tor: Roundcube, SquirrelMail
TorBox (SquirrelMail over Tor)

External links

This link is useful because it lists if the webmails requires JS or not, and it lists privacy issues.

Comparison of webmail providers, digital rights (Wikipedia)

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-Issue for https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems
+'''Use https://gitlab.com/ryanwhite/webmail-systems pull requests. - The page is maintained by Ryan says the FSF.'''
-* The "Recommended" section
+Issue for https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems. The proper FSF email address to send this issue to is: [mailto:resources@fsf.org resources@fsf.org]
-** Remove SIGAINT -- Both the Tor and regular website have been taken offline.
-** Complemente Riseup
-*** "Due to the numerous requests by spammers and scammers to get Riseup accounts, we are forced to use Invite Codes for all new accounts. We know that this sucks. Because we do not require a phone number or billing information, we need some alternate way to prevent abuse." - https://riseup.net/en/email/settings/mail-accounts
-*** Tor service - http://j6uhdvbhz74oefxf.onion/ -- uses Roundcube
-** Mail2Tor http://mail2tor2zyjdctd.onion -- uses SquirrelMail
-** TorBox - http://torbox3uiot6wchz.onion/
-** To this section: "Some services will let you sign up and sign in without non-free JavaScript, and use IMAP/POP3 from a desktop program, but have broken webmail:"
-*** Mailnesia - https://mailnesia.com/
-* The "Not Recommended" section. Add
-** OpenMailBox -- used to be listed in the "Recommended" section before but then got removed without any explanation. I've heard that registration requires nonfree JS.
-** Microsoft Exchange
-** Microsoft Hotmail
-** Microsoft Live
-** Microsoft MSN
-** Microsoft Outlook.com
-** Yahoo! Mail
-** Yandex Mail
-Ian: I think hosting your own mail should also be mentioned on
+==Todo==
-that list. I recently transitioned to doing that, and I recommend
-it. For someone else wanting to do it, I would recommend mailinabox. The
+===Urgent===
-other one people talk about is http://mailcow.email/. I did my own setup
+* Add this to https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems under "Not Recommended": Apple [https://www.icloud.com/ iCloud] (@icloud.com. Old emails: @[https://me.com/ me.com], @[http://mac.com/ mac.com]<!-- not https:// -->) -- iCloud account creation requires Apple devices (either an iOS device or a Mac).
-with exim and dovecot, and I forward port 25 from a remote server to my
+* Change "@msn.com" to "@[https://www.msn.com/ msn.com]"
-home machine to get around the standard isp residential service port 25
+* Sort Microsoft Outlook.com alphabetically in the list
-block.
+* Add "Tor operated: [http://grrmailb3fxpjbwm.onion/ TorGuerrillaMail] under "These disposable email services have been verified to work without proprietary JavaScript:"
+===OpenMailBox===
+* https://www.openmailbox.org/why-we-were-down
+* https://www.reddit.com/r/openmailbox/comments/9ffqap/what_is_happening_with_openmailbox/
+* https://www.techmansworld.com/2017/08/openmailbox-removes-imap-support-for.html
+** IMAP status seems to be ok at https://www.openmailbox.org/service-state though. But Icedove cannot connect as described below.
+====Cannot create account====
+The "Create my account" opens the CAPTCHA each time I click on it no mattter if I've finished the CAPTCHA several times.
+====Broken Thunderbird settings====
+[I have emailed this issue to the OpenMailBox team 2019-03-20]
+It's not possible to add OpenMailBox accounts in Thunderbird that displays this warning message:
+<pre>
+Thunderbird failed to find the settings for your email account.
+</pre>
+I've seen this error message that also made it impossible to add an account:
+<pre>
+Certificate Status
+This site attempts to identify itself with invalid information.
+Wrong Site
+The certificate belongs to a different site, which could mean that someone is trying to impersonate this site.
+</pre>
+It's not possible to use the "Confirm Security Exception" button.
+The "Get Certificate" button reads:
-==Bitmessage==
 <pre>
-> Bitmessage also known as Bitmessage Mail Gateway (BMG), is a service
+No Information Available
-> that allows you to use your E-Mail client (or the webmail) for sending
+Unable to obtain identification status for this site.
-> and receiving Bitmessages over clearnet, Tor, and I2P.[3] This allows
-> sending and receiving of email anonymously, to email addresses inside
-> and outside these networks. Bitmessage.ch offers webmail, pop3, IMAP and
-> SMTP access to email clients. -
-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage.ch#Bitmessage.ch Bitmessage is
-> a decentralized, encrypted, peer-to-peer, trustless communications
-> protocol that can be used by one person to send encrypted messages to
-> another person, or to multiple subscribers.
->
->
->
->
-> --
-> RMS: Bitmessage is no good because it won't scale, according to the
-> expert I consulted.
-> DBH: What do you mean with scale?
-> RMS: It won't work if lots of people use it.
-> --
-> On Mon, November 9, 2015 1:50 pm, David Hedlund wrote:
-> DBH: Can Bitmessage.ch be used by tens of thousands of more users?
-> Bitmessage.ch: Yes. Bitmessage.ch internally operates as a regular
-> e-mail system, so it
-> can support many users.
-> There was a time where nearly 20'000 users had registered accounts here,
-> but sadly, interest in bitmessage has declined ever since.
-> The bitmessage network itself is not affected by the number of users, but
-> the number of messages. Scaling proposals have been made, but nothing has
-> been implemented since.
-> To support a lot more users, the bitmessage.ch service would need to be
-> scattered across more servers. At that point, money is a problem again, as
-> this is run on my personal account. Adding more servers also adds more
-> cost.
---
-> DBH: It doesn't really matter if your expert says that bitmessage.ch won't
-> scale -- they have been running for years.
-> RMS: What do you propose that I do or say about bitmessage?
-> DBH: Can you please ask the FSF to put Bitmessage under the section "Under
-> Review" at https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems ?
-> RMS: I asked the person who evaluates them.
-> DBH: Thanks, that was kind of you.
 </pre>
+I guess we should move OpenMailBox under the "Under Review" section and include the above text to it.
+===Riseup===
+Structure the links and add Tor links:
+* [https://riseup.net/ Riseup][1]
+** [https://mail.riseup.net/rc/ Roundcube], [https://mail.riseup.net/sm/src/login.php SquirrelMail]
+** Tor: [http://zsolxunfmbfuq7wf.onion/rc/ Roundcube]. See [https://riseup.net/en/security/network-security/tor#riseups-tor-onion-services Riseups Tor onion services] for email configuration
+: "In order to create a Red Account you will need an invite. Obtain an Invite Code from a friend." - https://riseup.net/en/email/settings/mail-accounts#how-do-i-create-an-email-account
+==New services==
+These new webmail services could be added to the "Recommended section in https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems :
+* [https://bitmessage.ch/ Bitmessage.ch] (requires Tor Browser despite not being an .onion address)
+** Tor: [http://bitmailendavkbec.onion/roundcube Roundcube], [http://bitmailendavkbec.onion/squirrelmail SquirrelMail]
+* [http://torbox3uiot6wchz.onion/sm/src/login.php TorBox] (SquirrelMail over Tor)
+==External links==
+This link is useful because it lists if the webmails requires JS or not, and it lists privacy issues.
+* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers#Digital_rights Comparison of webmail providers, digital rights (Wikipedia)]

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