Group: LibrePlanet Ontario/Meeting Notes/2017-04-24
Monday, 24 April 2017, 9:00pm EDT
- Planning Free Software Advocacy: Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Street Team Outreach
- Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
- Contributing a podcast episode to Hacker Public Radio
If there's something else you want to discuss, add it to the this agenda!
- Document Freedom Day, the sequel: Wednesday, 26 April 2017
- Culture Freedom Day: Saturday, 20 May 2017 (Wikipedia:Culture Freedom Day)
- The 18th annual DebConf will take place in Montreal, Canada from August 6 to August 12, 2017. It will be preceded by DebCamp, July 31st to August 4th, and Open Day, August 5th.
- Software Freedom Day: Saturday, 16 September 2017
- Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman, and Logan Streondj (greenmonk) and Daniel Villarreal in the text channel.
- Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-04-24.ogg (Size: 37.74 MBytes - Duration: 40m57s)
FreeLibre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
- Discussion on LibrePlanet mailing list
- Forms vs. Spreadsheet vs. Accounting software
- Problems in other countries
- Maintenance of tax applications is critical
- There is no "tax form processing software" for the whole world
Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Street Team Outreach
- Have outreach on Digital Freedom Foundation dates, eg. Document Freedom Day?
- Open Data Day, or the Open Data Book Club
- Open Data format for tax data? Government promises to have Open Data
- KWVoIP and ERK (Egg Roll King Restaurant)
- Integrating XMPP and SMS with JMP.chat
- OssGuy (Denver Gingrich) and Singpolyma (Stepen Paul Weber)
- WLSG (Waterloo Libre Software Group and WSIC (Waterloo Students for the Information Commons), student groups at University of Waterloo for Free Software and Free Culture curriculum materials
- HPR (Hacker Public Radio) episode on Tax Software?
- We discuss human language parsing programs
- What GNU+Linux distributions are people using?
- Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, System Rescue CD
General Intelligence Programming Challenge
- Using AI for tax software?
- Licensing terms by CRA limit our ability to create Free Software tax software
- Discussion on SPAL/SPEL (PDF, 160 kBytes)
- Other words for Free Software: Libre, Freeware, FAIF software
- Other programming languages
[8:12 PM] Welcome to Mumble. [8:12 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org. [8:12 PM] Connected. [8:12 PM] Welcome message: Welcome to this server running Murmur. Enjoy your stay! [8:56 PM] firstname.lastname@example.org connected. [8:59 PM] Recording started [9:02 PM] BobJonkman: The agenda: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting [9:05 PM] DanielVillarreal connected. [9:05 PM] greenmonk connected. [9:06 PM] BobJonkman: https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2017-03/msg00066.html [9:10 PM] DanielVillarreal: Hi all! [9:10 PM] DanielVillarreal: I can hear ... [9:11 PM] DanielVillarreal: :-) [9:14 PM] DanielVillarreal: Like using awk ? [9:19 PM] greenmonk: well, I'm working on Pyash, a programming language based on human grammar. [9:21 PM] DanielVillarreal: yes. [9:22 PM] DanielVillarreal: Hoping to make it out to ERK someday. [9:23 PM] DanielVillarreal: ditto that [9:26 PM] DanielVillarreal: Thanks! [9:30 PM] greenmonk: hey, just wanted to mention in relation to the language for tax/government software. the human grammar programming language I'm working on [9:31 PM] greenmonk: oops, sorry g2g, I'll probably have to do the mailing list thing [9:32 PM] greenmonk: okay, back baby is restless [9:32 PM] greenmonk: the youngest is 6 months, older one will be 4 soon [9:33 PM] greenmonk: yep, today I woke up really early, like 5:30 to do some programming before my son woke up around 7 [9:34 PM] greenmonk: so the programming language is generic, but it could be used for taxes and such because it has a vocabulary of around 8,000 words which are easily translated into 30+ human langauges [9:34 PM] DanielVillarreal: I like to discuss human languages. [9:35 PM] greenmonk: well, I have basic C being output right now, still have to add a few more cosntructs to support ANSI C. [9:35 PM] DanielVillarreal: I've been polishing up my scripts for using exiftool, using perl [9:36 PM] DanielVillarreal: lol [9:36 PM] greenmonk: it compiles to OpenCL C as well. [9:36 PM] greenmonk: hmm, I might be able to get the microphone working hold on [9:37 PM] DanielVillarreal: Trying to get my son to using Linux. I need to set up a system for my little girl. She's almost four. She just got some cowgirl boots. [9:38 PM] greenmonk: @daniel I found pocketchip, is a full linux system but portable like a game console [9:38 PM] DanielVillarreal: thanks [9:39 PM] DanielVillarreal: Fedora [9:39 PM] greenmonk: I'm downloading ubuntu 17.04 right now [9:40 PM] greenmonk: I'm hoping on using my programming language to participate in the General Intelligence programming challenge. Don't know if anyone else here is interested in AI. [9:41 PM] DanielVillarreal: I'm a big fan of SystemRescueCD for my toolkit. Had issues w/ latest version of Tinycore. [9:42 PM] DanielVillarreal: I'm interested in AI... I'm looking to the future applications. [9:42 PM] greenmonk: http://general-ai-challenge.org/ [9:42 PM] DanielVillarreal: Thanks [9:43 PM] greenmonk: it is by a millionaire game developer from Prague, Chezh republic, rewards for first round is 12 thousand dollars or thereabouts [9:43 PM] greenmonk: 50 thousand total, the winner gets 12 [9:44 PM] greenmonk: american dollars i beive [9:44 PM] greenmonk: believe* [9:44 PM] greenmonk: Well tax accountants are one of those jobs that has the highest likelyhood of being automated. [9:45 PM] greenmonk: there is already a lot of tax software, much of it free that can help file your taxes for you. [9:46 PM] greenmonk: one of the issues to be overcome with open source linux tax software is cost of certification. [9:48 PM] greenmonk: yeah, I use libre for libre [9:49 PM] greenmonk: in my programming langauge, there actually isn't words for "free" and "libre", but there is liberty and freeware [9:50 PM] greenmonk: I can't add words, it was scripted, by translating a set of 39,000 english words into 30+ of the most popular human langauges. Then I had it take out overly ambigious words as well as homonyms. [9:50 PM] greenmonk: at that point was left with 8,000 words [9:51 PM] DanielVillarreal: Is Klingon one of the most popular languages ? ;-) [9:52 PM] greenmonk: https://gitlab.com/liberit/pyac is the current version, earlier one can be downloaded at sourceforge [9:53 PM] greenmonk: https://sourceforge.net/projects/spel/ [9:54 PM] greenmonk: Klingon is specifically designed to be difficult for humans, using the least common word order and consonant clusters [9:55 PM] greenmonk: here is a PDF about spal https://gitlab.com/liberit/pyac/blob/master/documentation/spal.pdf [9:56 PM] greenmonk: Pyash (SPAL/SPEL) is specifically designed to be easy for humans and computers.. [9:57 PM] greenmonk: it uses the most common word orders and letters, and consonant clusters, also is easily parseable even without spaces (for streams of speech). [9:57 PM] greenmonk: also it is easy to translate between different langauges, so people don't have to learn the Pyash vocabulary, but can simply use their native vocabulary in a more regularized manner. [9:58 PM] greenmonk: that sounds great, hopefully can get the microphone working by then [9:58 PM] DanielVillarreal: well, this could be a very interesting discussion in a local pub... [9:59 PM] greenmonk: I don't drink (Buddhist), but other public places good [9:59 PM] DanielVillarreal: We could have kombucha tea [10:00 PM] DanielVillarreal: Thanks! [10:00 PM] greenmonk: good talk thanks :-) [10:00 PM] greenmonk: good night [10:00 PM] DanielVillarreal: Good night [10:00 PM] Recording stopped