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Wednesday, 24 January 2018, 9:00pm-10:00pm EST

Location
Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario

Agenda

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Upcoming Events




Friday, 24 November 2017, 9:00pm-10:00pm EST

Location: Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario

Agenda

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Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman
Audio Recording: https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-11-24.ogg (Size: 10.2 MB - Duration: 10m16s) (Podcast)


  • There has not been much activity by meeting participants or on the mailing list; there may not be much to report.
  • Bob is looking for someone to send out meeting notifications and record the meeting, and produce the podcast.
    • But the podcast statistics show minimal usage
  • No LibrePlanet Ontario meeting on 24 December 2017, next meeting on Wednesday, 24 January 2018
    • And an In Real Life meeting on Saturday, 24 February 2018

Text Channel

[8:47 PM] Recording started
[8:48 PM] BobJonkman connected.
[8:48 PM] BobJonkman moved in from LibrePlanet SP Mumble Server by the server.
[9:02 PM] greg connected.
[9:02 PM] greg entered channel.
[9:06 PM] BobJonkman: https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/stats/
[9:15 PM] greg disconnected.
[9:24 PM] BobJonkman disconnected.

Tuesday, 24 October 2017, 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT

Location
Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario

Agenda

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Upcoming Events

Meeting Notes

Participants
Bob Jonkman, Stephen Paul Weber, Greg Knittl, snowdusk
Audio Recording
https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-10-24.ogg (Size: 31.01 MBytes - Duration: 38m09s) (Podcast)



Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project update
  • Greg spoke with lawyer from CIPPIC
    • Greg needed to explain some concepts of Free Software to the lawyer
    • Discussion of security involved in paper form submission
    • Is the difficulty in getting developer access merely a (poor) way of certifying the tax software?
    • Access to My Account would work well for us, people would perform the submission themselves
    • What would happen if we circulated a spreadsheet to help people fill in their paper forms?
      • Perhaps CRA would disallow that too


The right solution is to prosecute people who do the wrong thing after the fact, not to prevent people from doing the wrong thing beforehand, because that excludes also those of us who would like to do the right thing in a different way. --Stephen Paul Weber


  • What can be done? Charter challenge? Doubtful.
    • Outreach program is important; judges are a group of people that need to know these issues
  • Perhaps Greg will file Freedom Of Information requests to pry out some of this data
  • While this project is low on the list of priorities for CIPPIC, Greg will keep in touch, and the lawyer was encouraging.


keyboard.io
  • https://shop.keyboard.io/ is a keyboard and rudimentary pointing device with no nonfree software in it
    • Uses an Arduino, so it's hackable by the community
    • Expensive ($329 USD), but worth it
    • The keyboard has an expansion header inside, and each key has LED backlight

Text Channel

[5:01 PM] Recording started
[8:56 PM] BobJonkman-mobile connected.
[9:03 PM] singpolyma connected.
[9:06 PM] greg connected.
[9:08 PM] greg: Hi anybody here?
[9:08 PM] snowdusk connected.
[9:09 PM] greg: I can hear you, but I have to figure out my push to talk button
[9:09 PM] snowdusk is now muted.
[9:11 PM] snowdusk: hi bobjonkman invited me! nice to meet you everyone!
[9:12 PM] snowdusk: thank you!
[9:12 PM] greg: still struggling with push to talk
[9:12 PM] snowdusk: i told him i will be listening only. i hope that's ok with everyone :)
[9:12 PM] singpolyma: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ finished over $2M so that's going to be very interesting to watch the development of
[9:19 PM] BobJonkman-mobile disconnected.
[9:44 PM] singpolyma: In other news I finally got my keyboard.io device on Monday, so I now have a keyboard (and rudimentary pointing device) with no nonfree software in it!
[9:44 PM] singpolyma: https://shop.keyboard.io/
[9:59 PM] singpolyma disconnected.
[10:00 PM] greg disconnected.
[10:01 PM] BobJonkman connected.
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: Hi Snowdusk! Still there?
[10:02 PM] snowdusk: yes im still here :D
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: O hai!
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: Just got back.
[10:03 PM] BobJonkman: I saw Greg and Singpolyma were on too
[10:03 PM] snowdusk: hi bobjonkman! thank u for inviiting me! i love the librem phone so cool
[10:03 PM] BobJonkman: I hope to get one of those, or a CopperheadOS phone
[10:05 PM] BobJonkman: Anyway, the meeting seems to be done, especially if you're staying on mute.
[10:05 PM] BobJonkman: Kinda funny, the radio DJ stays on mute
[10:05 PM] snowdusk: have a great night everyone!
[10:05 PM] snowdusk: oh haha
[10:06 PM] snowdusk: my voice is tired XD
[10:06 PM] snowdusk: joking
[10:06 PM] snowdusk: i have to go ! :D can i listen again next week?
[10:08 PM] BobJonkman: OK, TTYL
[10:08 PM] snowdusk: ttyl!!!
[10:08 PM] BobJonkman: This is every month on the 24th

Sunday, 24 September 2017, 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT

Location: Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-09-24.ogg (Size: 49.9 MBytes - Duration: 53m12s)
Setting up Mumble's "Push-to-Talk"
  • Don't use CTRL+T
KWVoIP
  • Waterloo Region's Voice over IP Users Group
Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
  • Running UFile under Wine
  • CRA keeping information hidden under Non-Disclosure Agreements
  • What are the competitive advantages between existing and FLOSS tax programs?
  • Optimal tax returns: Least tax paid or greatest tax refund
  • Are full, complete, optimal tax returns too complex for software to determine?
  • Legal issues raised by CRA's reluctance to provide info
KW Linuxfest
  • Takes place Saturday, 27 January 2018
  • Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project would make a good KW Linuxfest talk!
  • Call For Papers closes 1 November 2017
Street Team Outreach
  • Summer's over, is it too late for Street Team Outreach?
  • Perhaps we can find another project that can be done on/offline in a distributed manner
Wiki and Website
  • Items needing a SysAdmin will be taken to the mailing list
  • Existing upcoming events will stay on the Upcoming Events list, but Bob will no longer add Upcoming Events that are outside of Ontario or not primarily about Free Software
Future Meetings
  • Saturday, 24 February 2018 we'll try for an In-Real-Life meeting in Toronto
  • Need to find a venue that matches our dietary preferences

Text Channel

[8:53 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[8:53 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[8:53 PM] Connected.
[8:53 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!

[8:54 PM] Recording started
[9:02 PM] (Channel) greg: Hi Bob can u hear me?
[9:02 PM] (Channel) greg: I can hear u
[9:04 PM] (Channel) greg: checking my settings
[9:04 PM] (Channel) greg: I have to hit a key to talk
[9:04 PM] (Channel) greg: which I now forget
[9:11 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Meeting_Notes/2017-09

Thursday, 24 August 2017, 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT

Location: Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario?title=LibrePlanet%20SP%20Mumble%20Server

Agenda

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Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: Logan Streondj (greenmonk), Greg Knittl, Stephen Paul Weber
Audio Recording: https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-08-24.ogg (Size: 29.14 MBytes - Duration: 36m10s)
Software Freedom Day
  • SFD is on Saturday, 16 September 2017.
  • LibrePlanet Ontario members are geographically distributed
  • (It is unlikely LibrePlanet Ontario will participate in SFD this year)
Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
  • Greg Knittl's requests to the CRA are being ignored
  • Greg is seeking legal advice from CIPPIC
Free Software on Phones
Hardware at the Free Software Foundation
ZeroNet

Text Channel

[9:04 PM] BobJonkman: Hi! Not available for voice at the moment. Will return to a real computer shortly
[9:05 PM] greenmonk: http://liberit.ca:43110/1DYjc22BP5VkqNLJgr3nQfoGiNLbGFGffG
[9:11 PM] singpolyma: Anyone been following https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
Note: This month's text channel is incomplete.

Monday, 24 July 2017, 9:00pm EDT

Date and Time: Monday, 24 July 2017 from 9:00pm to 10:00pm EDT
Location: Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario?title=LibrePlanet%20SP%20Mumble%20Server

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Colin J. Mills, Logan Streondj (greenmonk), Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-07-24.ogg (Size: 31.4 MB - Duration: 34m49s)

Text Channel

[4:50 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[4:51 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[4:51 PM] Connected.
[4:51 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!
[9:01 PM] BobJonkman: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23lp-ca-on
[9:01 PM] BobJonkman: Freenode IRCL #lp-ca-on
[9:04 PM] greg: H, can you hear me?i
[9:05 PM] BobJonkman: Cant hear youo
[9:05 PM] greg: just upgraded to 16.04 and ironing out glitches
[9:05 PM] greenmonk: greg try push to talk
[9:05 PM] BobJonkman: Agenda: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Meeting_Notes/2017-07
[9:06 PM] greg: where is push to talk
[9:06 PM] greg: yes, I hear you
[9:06 PM] BobJonkman: Greg, can you hear us?
[9:06 PM] greg: yes
[9:08 PM] greenmonk: you have to hold down the keys
[9:10 PM] BobJonkman: Tax project: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
[9:19 PM] BobJonkman: Street Outreach Project https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Street_Team_Outreach
[9:21 PM] BobJonkman: greenmonk, you're blinking out
[9:24 PM] cjm: https://kwlinuxfest.ca/
[9:28 PM] BobJonkman: https://osm.org/go/ZXnnaVCF-?node=4620754446 Orange circle is the bus stop
[9:29 PM] cjm: colin.j.mills96@gmail.com
[9:34 PM] BobJonkman: greenmonk: It's not working
[9:34 PM] greenmonk: you can't hear me?
[9:34 PM] BobJonkman: That's correct, we can't hear you
[9:37 PM] greg: Does anyone know about https://opensource.com/article/17/7/librariesio-data?
[9:42 PM] BobJonkman: https://opensource.com/alternatives/google-calendar
[9:43 PM] cjm: https://libraries.io/search?q=calender
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: can you hear me any better now?
[9:49 PM] greenmonk: maybe it was the chinese censors
[9:50 PM] greenmonk: they don't like ZeroNet, because if defeats the GFW
[9:53 PM] greenmonk: i use the latest ubuntu version
[9:54 PM] greenmonk: I think it is zesty so 17.04
[9:54 PM] greenmonk: zeronet is a p2p webhosting
[9:55 PM] greenmonk: Well I am waiting to hear if my proposal for Pyash was accepted, will know August 4th for the SLE in vancouver
[9:56 PM] greenmonk: Software Language Engineering conference from ACM
[9:57 PM] greenmonk: k,
[9:57 PM] BobJonkman: https://t.co/LZwuo0darN
[9:58 PM] greenmonk: I made a serach engine for zeronet, there are thousands of chinese users from china on it
[9:58 PM] greenmonk: yep, it's super fast, much faster than freenet, because it based on torrent technology
[9:58 PM] greenmonk: oh well, anyways I guess I'll head out as well. can check out zeronet sometime

Saturday, 24 June 2017

Date and Time: Saturday, 24 June 2017 from 9:00pm to 10:00pm EDT
Location: Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario?title=LibrePlanet%20SP%20Mumble%20Server

The Framadate poll to choose an "In Real Life" date and location didn't have enough respondents to make an in-person meeting beneficial. Consensus on the mailing list was to hold a regular Mumble online meeting on the 24th.

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Audio Recording: None available

No notes were taken at this meeting



Wednesday, 24 May 2017, 9:00pm EDT

Location: Mumble

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Jr., Logan Streondj (greenmonk), Jean-Paul Sauvé, Greg Knittl, dzho, Blaise Alleyne
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-05-24.ogg (Size: 50.8 MB - Duration: 54m07s) Subscribe to the Podcast
_you text read\
sa htet tyac\
\
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text _you language teaching\
htet sa pyac

Text Channel

 
[6:34 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[6:35 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[6:35 PM] Connected.
[6:35 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!
[8:59 PM] Recording started
[9:03 PM] BobJonkman: Hi Greg!
[9:03 PM] JP.Sauve: greg, we can hear you
[9:03 PM] BobJonkman: We can hear you
[9:03 PM] JP.Sauve: I can barely hear anything from greg
[9:04 PM] BobJonkman: Greg, can you hear us?
[9:05 PM] greenmonk: greg, it's your turn to introduce yourself.
[9:22 PM] BobJonkman: Agenda: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Meeting_Notes/2017-05-24
[9:25 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca: taxpayer bill of rights http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/rc17/rc17-12-16e.pdf
[9:28 PM] dzho: http://www.fsf.org/news/securedrop-and-alexandre-oliva-are-2016-free-software-awards-winners
[9:29 PM] dzho: oliva reversed brazil tax software
[9:29 PM] dzho: just another data point
[9:29 PM] dzho: /me is in the US so hi!
[9:38 PM] BobJonkman: https://gitlab.com/liberit/pyac
[9:42 PM] BobJonkman: _you text read\
sa htet tyac\
\
\
text _you language teaching\
htet sa pyac
[9:50 PM] dzho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI
[9:51 PM] BobJonkman: YouTube: Using Python to Code by Voice
[9:55 PM] balleyne: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Street_Team_Outreach
[10:02 PM] balleyne: https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-ca-on
[10:06 PM] greenmonk: http://london.ctvnews.ca/ontario-150-tour-coming-to-owen-sound-features-world-s-largest-rubber-duck-1.3321814
[10:07 PM] dzho: bye
[10:07 PM] Recording stopped

Monday, 24 April 2017, 9:00pm EDT

Location: Mumble

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman, and Logan Streondj (greenmonk) and Daniel Villarreal in the text channel.
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-04-24.ogg (Size: 37.74 MBytes - Duration: 40m57s)
  • FreeLibre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
    • Discussion on LibrePlanet mailing list
    • Forms vs. Spreadsheet vs. Accounting software
    • Problems in other countries
    • Maintenance of tax applications is critical
    • There is no "tax form processing software" for the whole world
  • Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Street Team Outreach
    • Have outreach on Digital Freedom Foundation dates, eg. Document Freedom Day?
    • Open Data Day, or the Open Data Book Club
    • Open Data format for tax data? Government promises to have Open Data
  • KWVoIP and ERK (Egg Roll King Restaurant)
  • Integrating XMPP and SMS with JMP.chat
    • OssGuy (Denver Gingrich) and Singpolyma (Stepen Paul Weber)
    • WLSG (Waterloo Libre Software Group and WSIC (Waterloo Students for the Information Commons), student groups at University of Waterloo for Free Software and Free Culture curriculum materials
  • HPR (Hacker Public Radio) episode on Tax Software?
  • We discuss human language parsing programs
  • What GNU+Linux distributions are people using?
    • Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, System Rescue CD
  • General Intelligence Programming Challenge
    • Using AI for tax software?
    • Licensing terms by CRA limit our ability to create Free Software tax software
    • Discussion on SPAL/SPEL (PDF, 160 kBytes)
  • Other words for Free Software: Libre, Freeware, FAIF software
  • Other programming languages

Text Channel

 
[8:12 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[8:12 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[8:12 PM] Connected.
[8:12 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!
[8:56 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca connected.
[8:59 PM] Recording started
[9:02 PM] BobJonkman: The agenda: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting
[9:05 PM] DanielVillarreal connected.
[9:05 PM] greenmonk connected.
[9:06 PM] BobJonkman: https://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2017-03/msg00066.html
[9:10 PM] DanielVillarreal: Hi all!
[9:10 PM] DanielVillarreal: I can hear ...
[9:11 PM] DanielVillarreal: :-)
[9:14 PM] DanielVillarreal: Like using awk ?
[9:19 PM] greenmonk: well, I'm working on Pyash, a programming language based on human grammar.
[9:21 PM] DanielVillarreal: yes.
[9:22 PM] DanielVillarreal: Hoping to make it out to ERK someday.
[9:23 PM] DanielVillarreal: ditto that
[9:26 PM] DanielVillarreal: Thanks!
[9:30 PM] greenmonk: hey, just wanted to mention in relation to the language for tax/government software. the human grammar programming language I'm working on
[9:31 PM] greenmonk: oops, sorry g2g, I'll probably have to do the mailing list thing
[9:32 PM] greenmonk: okay, back baby is restless
[9:32 PM] greenmonk: the youngest is 6 months, older one will be 4 soon
[9:33 PM] greenmonk: yep, today I woke up really early, like 5:30 to do some programming before my son woke up around 7
[9:34 PM] greenmonk: so the programming language is generic, but it could be used for taxes and such because it has a vocabulary of around 8,000 words which are easily translated into 30+ human langauges
[9:34 PM] DanielVillarreal: I like to discuss human languages.
[9:35 PM] greenmonk: well, I have basic C being output right now, still have to add a few more cosntructs to support ANSI C.
[9:35 PM] DanielVillarreal: I've been polishing up my scripts for using exiftool, using perl
[9:36 PM] DanielVillarreal: lol
[9:36 PM] greenmonk: it compiles to OpenCL C as well.
[9:36 PM] greenmonk: hmm, I might be able to get the microphone working hold on
[9:37 PM] DanielVillarreal: Trying to get my son to using Linux. I need to set up a system for my little girl. She's almost four. She just got some cowgirl boots.
[9:38 PM] greenmonk: @daniel I found pocketchip, is a full linux system but portable like a game console
[9:38 PM] DanielVillarreal: thanks
[9:39 PM] DanielVillarreal: Fedora
[9:39 PM] greenmonk: I'm downloading ubuntu 17.04 right now
[9:40 PM] greenmonk: I'm hoping on using my programming language to participate in the General Intelligence programming challenge. Don't know if anyone else here is interested in AI.
[9:41 PM] DanielVillarreal: I'm a big fan of SystemRescueCD for my toolkit. Had issues w/ latest version of Tinycore.
[9:42 PM] DanielVillarreal: I'm interested in AI... I'm looking to the future applications.
[9:42 PM] greenmonk: http://general-ai-challenge.org/
[9:42 PM] DanielVillarreal: Thanks
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: it is by a millionaire game developer from Prague, Chezh republic, rewards for first round is 12 thousand dollars or thereabouts
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: 50 thousand total, the winner gets 12
[9:44 PM] greenmonk: american dollars i beive
[9:44 PM] greenmonk: believe*
[9:44 PM] greenmonk: Well tax accountants are one of those jobs that has the highest likelyhood of being automated.
[9:45 PM] greenmonk: there is already a lot of tax software, much of it free that can help file your taxes for you.
[9:46 PM] greenmonk: one of the issues to be overcome with open source linux tax software is cost of certification.
[9:48 PM] greenmonk: yeah, I use libre for libre
[9:49 PM] greenmonk: in my programming langauge, there actually isn't words for "free" and "libre", but there is liberty and freeware
[9:50 PM] greenmonk: I can't add words, it was scripted, by translating a set of 39,000 english words into 30+ of the most popular human langauges. Then I had it take out overly ambigious words as well as homonyms.
[9:50 PM] greenmonk: at that point was left with 8,000 words
[9:51 PM] DanielVillarreal: Is Klingon one of the most popular languages ? ;-)
[9:52 PM] greenmonk: https://gitlab.com/liberit/pyac is the current version, earlier one can be downloaded at sourceforge
[9:53 PM] greenmonk: https://sourceforge.net/projects/spel/
[9:54 PM] greenmonk: Klingon is specifically designed to be difficult for humans, using the least common word order and consonant clusters
[9:55 PM] greenmonk: here is a PDF about spal https://gitlab.com/liberit/pyac/blob/master/documentation/spal.pdf
[9:56 PM] greenmonk: Pyash (SPAL/SPEL) is specifically designed to be easy for humans and computers..
[9:57 PM] greenmonk: it uses the most common word orders and letters, and consonant clusters, also is easily parseable even without spaces (for streams of speech).
[9:57 PM] greenmonk: also it is easy to translate between different langauges, so people don't have to learn the Pyash vocabulary, but can simply use their native vocabulary in a more regularized manner.
[9:58 PM] greenmonk: that sounds great, hopefully can get the microphone working by then
[9:58 PM] DanielVillarreal: well, this could be a very interesting discussion in a local pub...
[9:59 PM] greenmonk: I don't drink (Buddhist), but other public places good
[9:59 PM] DanielVillarreal: We could have kombucha tea
[10:00 PM] DanielVillarreal: Thanks!
[10:00 PM] greenmonk: good talk thanks :-)
[10:00 PM] greenmonk: good night
[10:00 PM] DanielVillarreal: Good night
[10:00 PM] Recording stopped

Friday, 24 March 2017, 9:00pm EDT

Location: Mumble

Agenda

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Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: Sergio Durigan Jr., Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-03-24.ogg (Size: 52.5 MB - Duration: 60m50s)
  • Kicking the libreplanetbr.org Mumble server
  • Getting involved in Canadian politics; Electoral Reform
  • Update on Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
  • We haven't been using the Mailing list for project management, either the Street Outreach project or the Tax Software project
  • Setting up surveillance cameras and the networking involved
  • Other LibrePlanet mailing lists: Discussion and a list of lists
  • Contributing a future podcast of our meeting to Hacker Public Radio; perhaps create a special episode about the Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
  • LibreOffice User Group in Waterloo Region, possibly Ontario- or Canada-wide
  • Ubuntu 17.04 "Zesty Zapus" Release Party on Thursday, 13 April 2017 at the Alio Restaurant in Toronto

Text Channel

[9:11 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[9:11 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[9:11 PM] Connected.
[9:11 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!
[9:12 PM] Recording started
[9:19 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca connected.
[9:19 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca entered channel.
[9:23 PM] sergiodj: can you hear us greg?
[9:23 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca: no.
[9:23 PM] sergiodj: we've been talking for some minutes now
[9:23 PM] sergiodj: maybe you're on mute?
[9:23 PM] BobJonkman: Can you mute your mic?
[9:23 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca is now muted.
[9:23 PM] BobJonkman: Thanx!
[9:24 PM] BobJonkman: The background noise was stomping all over the channel
[9:29 PM] BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Meeting_Notes/2017-03-24
[9:29 PM] BobJonkman: That's the agenda
[9:46 PM] sergiodj: guys, sorry, our cat is having some issues here and I'll have to be AFK for a few moments.
[9:51 PM] sergiodj: back
[9:58 PM] sergiodj: I'll have to disconnect, we might have to give him some medication. sorry about that. I'll talk to you guys one the mailing list.
[9:58 PM] sergiodj disconnected.
[10:00 PM] BobJonkman: https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/
[10:16 PM] BobJonkman: http://hackerpublicradio.org
[10:24 PM] BobJonkman: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca/
[10:26 PM] Recording stopped

Friday, 24 February 2017, 9:00pm EST

Location: Mumble

Agenda

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Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: (unknown)
Audio Recording: No recording was made of this meeting

Tuesday, 24 January 2017, 9:00pm EST

Location: Mumble

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-01-24.ogg (Size: 46.8 MB - Duration: 21m35s)

There is no text channel transcript this month.


Saturday, 24 December 2016, 9:00pm EST

Location: Mumble

This is likely to be a short, sparsely attended meeting. If you can spare an hour away from your holiday festivities, please come join us!

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-12-24.ogg (Size: 3.3 MB - Duration: 1m43s)

No Text Channel notes this month.



Thursday, 24 November 2016, 9:00pm EST

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl, Stephen Paul Weber (singpolyma), and Logan Streondj (greenmonk) in the Text Channel
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-11-24.ogg (Size: 17.86MB - Duration: 20m22s)

Text Channel

[8:26 PM] Recording started
[8:26 PM] BobJonkman: I'm AFK at the start of the meeting, will be joining shortly
[8:58 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca entered channel.
[9:06 PM] singpolyma entered channel.
[9:10 PM] singpolyma: also, I've done this: https://libremas.singpolyma.net/
[9:16 PM] singpolyma: sita sings the blues
[9:22 PM] BobJonkman: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chrishanukwandiwaleid&defid=6225840
[9:37 PM] greenmonk entered channel.
[9:37 PM] greenmonk: hi, my microphone not working
[9:37 PM] greenmonk: logan yep
[9:38 PM] greenmonk: I was just working on a thanksgiving piece for the bglug mailing list
[9:38 PM] greenmonk: then I remember the meeting
[9:38 PM] BobJonkman: https://libremas.singpolyma.net/
[9:38 PM] greenmonk: cool I'll check it out
[9:39 PM] greenmonk: is there a libreplanet ontario mailing list?
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: http://libreplanet.ca
[9:39 PM] greenmonk: thanks, found it :-)
[9:40 PM] greenmonk: alright, well guess I'll continue working on the email.
[9:40 PM] greenmonk: oh yea, I remember I wanted to say to the guy about the surveys that they should be authentic.
[9:40 PM] greenmonk: I can reply to the list regarding that as well.
[9:41 PM] greenmonk: sounds cool :-)
[9:41 PM] greenmonk: lol
[9:41 PM] greenmonk: k, alright well have a good night
[9:42 PM] greenmonk: hope to see you at the next bglug
[9:42 PM] greenmonk: I call them b-glug also
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: I actually haven't been able to attend as much since have a new son he is a month old now.
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: and bed time is about the same time as the meeting.
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: oh yes, I remember now.
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: lol, yeah, well I have two, the other is three years old
[9:44 PM] greenmonk: yep. alright we'll I'll get back to composing my email on what I've discovered about f-droid and password and encryption, will forward to libreplanet and bglug mailing lists
[9:44 PM] greenmonk: have a good night!
[9:45 PM] greenmonk disconnected.

Monday, 24 October 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Agenda

Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Jr., Blaise Alleyne, and Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-10-24.ogg (41.4 MBytes, 51m05s)

Text Channel

[8:54 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: Agenda: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting
[8:57 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: Getting a cuppa tea, BRB
[9:04 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting
[9:13 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: http://hackerpublicradio.org/
[9:14 PM] (Channel) balleyne: hi, just getting my headset!
[9:15 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting
[9:27 PM] (Channel) balleyne: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Software_Freedom_Day_2016
[9:48 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2015/Canada/Toronto/LibrePlanet
[9:49 PM] (Channel) sergiodj: guys, I really have to go grab something to eat, sorry. shouldn't take long, I'll be back in a few minutes

Saturday, 24 September 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Agenda

Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Stephen Paul Weber, Greg Knittl, and Blaise Alleyne in text chat.
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-09-24.ogg (21.7 MBytes, 41m41s)

Wednesday, 24 August 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Agenda

Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl, Stephen Paul Weber, Blaise Alleyne, and Logan Streondj
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-08-24.ogg (71 MBytes, 1h24m)

Links from the Text Channel

LibrePlanet Ontario Software Freedom Day: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Software_Freedom_Day_2016

LibrePlanet Ontario Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP

Cippic (Canadian Internet Policy adn Public Interest Clinic): https://cippic.ca/

Waterloo Region Greens "Party Rally for Proportional Representation": http://wrgreens.ca/pr4pr/


Sunday, 24 July 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Location: Mumble

Agenda

Minutes

Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Junior, Stephen Paul Weber, Blaise Alleyne, Daniel Villarreal.
Audio recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-07-24.ogg (73 MBytes, 1h30m)
Domain names
Software Freedom Day 2016

(Saturday, 17 September 2016)

  • Venue?
    • Raul Suarez may have a venue in Kitchener-Waterloo
    • Stephen Paul Weber can arrange Kwartzlab as a venue
  • Some concern about target audience:
    • Outreach for entry level presentations?
    • Technical presentations for hard-core GNU/Linux users?
    • Demonstrations fall in between, appeal to neither
    • Everyone has seen "What is Free Software" presentation, but needed for new people
    • Outreach needed for people who have no understanding of Free Software and Free Culture at all
      • People don't know that Freedom exists
      • This is our target audience!
      • People don't know that software can be made to do what they want, it's not like a microwave
    • Software comparisons may not be an effective way to promote Free Software
    • How to talk philosophy? More important, how to attract new people?
  • Our theme will be "How to convince people that Free Software exists, is legal, and is available to ordinary people"
  • To attract new people we can work on the streets, attracting passersby
    • Go to where people are, don't expect them to come to us
    • People who come to rooms are already the converted
    • Stephen Paul Weber does "Libre Streets" for Free Culture
    • Blaise Alleyne does campus outreach
  • Can have a room event as a follow up after street outreach
    • Answer questions like "How do you make money?", "Is it legal?"
  • University campus is more welcoming than a street corner for street activism
    • Follow-up venue can be at a nearby coffee shop
  • Need some brochures to remind street teamers of core points, also a take-along item for people
  • Three prong event:
  1. Prep the street team with talking points, &c.
  2. Go on the street to communicate the message of Software Freedom, and invite people to:
  3. Follow up event with a presentation, Q&A
  • Request an e-mail address for follow-up
    • E-mail is good for in-depth follow-up, people don't give up their e-mail address easily
    • Discussion mailing list, not a newsletter or announcement list
    • If there are few signups (10) then a personal follow may be better than a list
  • Needs followup, perhaps a Mumble meeting just for SFD
Tax software
  • Gregg Knittl has followed up with CRA
    • still asking questions
    • trying to find out what information CRA has for developers
  • Need: Defining and capturing tax calculation
    • Crowdsource them? Too much for Gregg Knittl to do himself
    • Gregg Knittl thinks CRA will not provide the tax calculations, will only verify a developed program
    • Forms like T1 are available, we may need to extract calculations from these
  • Wiki page has been updated: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
  • Gregg Knittl is waiting to receive test cases from CRA
  • If tax software cannot be made with source code available then we may need to switch to political lobbying rather than writing softare
  • Bob Jonkman's accountant was not interested in getting Free Software tax software, already uses proprietary software
Other stuff
More SFD
  • Gregg Knittl suggests People might be interested in Privacy, Encryption
    • Other tools, eg. Raw Therapee
    • Bob Jonkman has done several presentations on security, privacy and encryption (at last year's SFD)
  • Blaise Alleyne suggests using the Wiki and mailing list to organize SFD, no Mumble meeting
  • Bob Jonkman and Daniel Villarreal discuss strategies for attracting people to SFD

Text channel

[8:50 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[8:50 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[8:50 PM] Connected.
[8:50 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!


[9:23 PM] Daniel: hi
[9:23 PM] Daniel: yes
[9:24 PM] Daniel: Daniel Villarreal here.
[9:24 PM] Daniel: howdy howdy
[9:38 PM] Daniel: event + message + enthusiasm = ?
[9:38 PM] sergiodj: guys, I guess I'll have to step out unfortunately. sorry about that.
[9:38 PM] Daniel: bye
[9:39 PM] balleyne: later
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: bob, just to make sure, what is the domain that the cname should be pointing to?
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: Thanx Sergio! TTYL
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: libreplanet.sobac.com
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: thanks
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: alright, ttyl!
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: so podcasts.libreplanet.ca => libreplanet.sobac.com
[9:50 PM] Daniel: maybe IRC chat?
[9:53 PM] Daniel: I wouldn't bother asking for email addresses.
[9:53 PM] Daniel: You're asking for commitment.
[9:56 PM] singpolyma: give people the opportunity that fits them specifically best
[9:57 PM] Daniel: Nope.
[9:59 PM] Daniel: Were the tax people forthcoming and easy to communicate with ?
[9:59 PM] Daniel: lol
[10:00 PM] Daniel: maybe you can ask them for a flowchart?
[10:01 PM] Daniel: Can't hurt to ask?
[10:01 PM] Daniel: ok
[10:01 PM] Daniel: definitely
[10:02 PM] Daniel: I think there's a lot of interest, but it's a daunting task.
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
[10:02 PM] Daniel: Thanks for your efforts
[10:13 PM] singpolyma: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Software_Freedom_Day_2016
[10:17 PM] singpolyma: I expect most software gets >60% rewritten every year
[10:17 PM] singpolyma: s/software/tax software
[10:18 PM] BobJonkman: https://quitter.no/notice/1974053
[10:20 PM] Daniel: thanks all.
[10:20 PM] singpolyma: Fun fact unrelated to the discussion: my children's book got randomly featured on https://unglue.it/ !
[10:24 PM] balleyne: we're pushing 10:30, I've gotta run very soon!
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: I like async for sure. so long as we actually do it ;)
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: sync forces us to act
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: For sure
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: agreed
[10:27 PM] Daniel: thanks. good night
[10:27 PM] Daniel: uh huh.

24 June 2016

A mumble meeting with Bob Jonkman, Blaise Alleyne, Stephen Paul Weber, and Greg Knittl. Allan joined us with text-only chat. An audio recording is available: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-06-24.ogg (31 MBytes, 41m14s)

Minutes

  1. Domain names: We'll ask Sergio Durigan Jr., our Hostmaster[1], to set the three domain names (libreplanet.ca, libreplaneton.ca, libreplanetontario.ca) so they're all aliases for our Wiki page https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario (but this will take a bit more jiggery-pokery than just an A record in DNS). Greg Wright can point the NS records for libreplanetontario.ca to the DNS server that Sergio uses. (Greg and Sergio should contact each other off-list to make this happen)
    1. Sergio will host most services on his server, although Bob Jonkman is happy to continue hosting audio files for an eventual podcast.
    2. libreplanet.ca will be the canonical domain name. Chapters will be a subdomain (so http://ontario.libreplanet.ca should also alias to https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario ) Services will be set up as subdomains for ease of administration. So, we'll eventually have nextcloud.libreplanet.ca, gnusocial.libreplanet.ca, gitlab.libreplanet.ca and any others. We can start with podcast.libreplanet.ca -- Bob will chat with Sergio off-list to set this up.
  2. Podcasts: Stephen Paul Weber (singpolyma) has a redo script to create a podcast .rss file from folders of audio files. Bob has git-cloned it; just need to figure out how to make it work. Bob will contact Stephon off-list about it. Script stuff at https://github.com/singpolyma/redo-podcast
  3. Lots of discussion on our Free/Libre Canadian Tax Prepartion Software Project, now fondly known as FLCTPSP. There's a wiki page to coordinate the project's activities at https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP Blaise had a link to a mailing list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfc-discuss.

Agenda

Upcoming Events

24 May 2016

Topic: Government forms, Open Documents and Free Software.

A mumble meeting with Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Junior, Stephen Paul Weber, and Greg Knittl. An audio recording is availble: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-05-24.ogg (42.3 MBytes, 54m46s).

24 April 2016

A mumble meeting with Greg Knittl, Blaise Alleyne, Bob Jonkman. No agenda, but an audio recording is available: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-04-24.ogg (38.3 MBytes, 44m33s), joined in progress.

24 March 2016

A mumble meeting with Sergio Durigan Junior, Blaise Alleyne, Bob Jonkman, Stephen Paul Weber and Daniel Villarreal.

Agenda for 24 March 2016

    • Open Data Day (beginning of March) (not a DFF event)

19 September 2015

LibrePlanet Ontario celebrated Software Freedom Day with a series of presentations:

What Is Software Freedom
Sergio Durigan Jr. gives a bit of history of the Free Software movement, and explains why Free Software is not like Free Beer.
Free Software in Musical Performance
Blaise Alleyne has been performing music for many years. He uses Free Software to enhance his performance. He'll demonstrate some of the Free Software tools he uses.
Lightning Talks - Using Free Software To Make More Free Software
Aruna Hewapathirane tells us how Free Software let him customize his Free Operating System.
Lightning Talks - Open Source, Open Allocation
Rudolf Olah will be presenting on how open source projects use open allocation and why this is a pattern for future jobs and companies.
Free Culture Short Films
Laurel Russwurm shows a collection of films that have been released under a Creative Commons license, returned to the Public Domain, or that were never covered by copyright due to legal issues.
Email Privacy with Free Software
Bob Jonkman gives a quick overview of encryption, and shows off Free Software that secures your e-mail.
GnuPG/PGP Keysigning
Bob Jonkman will expand the Web of Trust by conducting a Formal Keysigning where people read their key fingerprints and vouch for each other. To participate in the Formal Keysigning please e-mail your public GnuPG/PGP key to Bob Jonkman at bjonkman@sobac.com For anyone who wants to create GnuPG keys there will be help available, followed by an Informal Keysigning. Bring your laptop if you're creating GnuPG keys!


28 July 2015

Our first mumble meeting! Happened at 7 p.m. and used LibrePlanet BR's mumble server (while we don't have our own).

  • We defined an initial agenda for our Software Freedom Day in Toronto
    • What is Free Software by Sergio
    •  ??? by Blaise
    • Keysigning party by Bob Jonkman
    • Free movie exhibition by Laurel L. Russwurm
    • Lightning talks (to be organized by Rudolf)
  • A few comments about the venue
    • We have to visit Mozilla's office to decide if it's a good place for the event, and if they are willing to have the event there.
    • Likewise, for hacklab.to (https://hacklab.to/)
    • Bob will contact GTALUG to find out about Ryerson
  • Things TODO now:
    • Create a wiki page. This page can be hosted here or at SFD's website.
    • Get to a point where we feel comfortable in sharing a "Save the Date" message.

29 June 2015

Held at the HeroBurger restaurant on Mt. Pleasant Rd.

  • We lamented the state of Free Software gaming, and the prevalence of proprietary gaming engines like Steam.
  • We lamented the state of Free Software administration, and how it seems that SysAdmins today don't know how to use Free Software tools.
  • Outreach:
    • Sergio and Bob attended the Ubuntu/Debian Release Party in April
    • Rudolf attended a computer language interest group [I forgot details]
    • Bob attended a MapTime meetup in May, and a couple of GTALUG meetings
  • Some of us (Bob, Sergio) exchanged GnuPG fingerprint strips, with the intention of digitally signing each others' keys. This could become a regular occurrence at LibrePlanet meetings.
  • We discussed Software Freedom Day:
    • Software Freedom Day is Saturday, 19 September 2015
    • A venue is needed. Suggested locations:
      • Alleyne Inc. offices (Blaise will check)
      • Mozilla offices (Sergio will attend a MapTime or Mappy Hour[1] and investigate availability)
      • FreeGeek Toronto (someone needs to contact them)
    • Suggested format? After some discussion, it was decided to keep it simple for the first year. One stream of programming, with a second stream of Free Culture films; Laurel Russwurm can repeat the Free Culture Film Festival held in Kitchener in 2014.
    • Suggested schedule:
      • 10:30am - Presentation: What Is Free Software (Sergio)
      • 11:30am - Five Lightning Talks (organized by Rudolf)
      • 12:00am - Presentation (TBD)
      • 1:00pm - Presentation (TBD)
      • 2:00pm - Workshop (TBD)
    • Need to reach out to other Free Software organizations in Toronto; issue a Call For Presentations, Lightning Talks

20 January 2015

LibrePlanetOntario meeting 2015-01-20.txt (2.3 kBytes)

Duke of Kent Pub, Yonge & Eglinton, Toronto, Ontario

(bullet points rearranged slightly from the order in which they were discussed)

Meetings

  • Host some meetings in other locations, eg. Kitchener-Waterloo or Ottawa
    • There was some interest from people in KW, but lack of easy/cheap prevents them from attending meetings in KW
    • There have been sightings of Libre Software people from the Otttawa area in the IRC channel ( irc://irc.freenode.net/#lp-ca-on )
  • Meetings should be scheduled at regular times and at a regular venue
    • We'll try the Alleyne Computer Centre (???)
    • Meetings on a Saturday would encourage turnout from other localities
    • Hold virtual meetings to alternate with meatspace meetings
  • Streamcast meatspace meetings with a full stack of Libre software
    • The software demonstrated
    • The platform OS running the software demonstrated
    • The streamcasting recording/broadcast software
    • The editing software
    • The output format should be in an open format, released under a Free Culture license

Web site

Other

  • Matt Lee from the FSF will be coming to Toronto on (??? Dates ???)
    • Invite Matt Lee to speak at the next LibrePlanet Ontario meeting
    • There should certainly be a post-meeting meeting at a local pub!
  • Free Software projects could have a "Product Channel"
    • Corporations can issue RFQs, Purchase Orders, buy a license, get it all OK'd by their Legal Dept.
    • Channel partners (independent consultants, perhaps the developers) can provide support
    • Dual-license for corporate use? Maybe, maybe not.
    • May result in things like Marketing Managers on Free Software products; project focus being driven by sales rather than what's good for the project

13 September 2014

LibreTea

A meeting of LibrePlanet Ontario, Ubuntu-Canada Toronto Chapter, and Toronto Crypto. Writeup at LibreTea and Free Culture | Laurel L. Russwurm's Free Culture Blog.