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=== [[Group:LibrePlanet Ontario/Meeting Notes/2017-10|Tuesday, 24 October 2017, 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT]] === | === [[Group:LibrePlanet Ontario/Meeting Notes/2017-10|Tuesday, 24 October 2017, 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT]] === | ||
| − | + | ; Location: Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario | |
==== Agenda ==== | ==== Agenda ==== | ||
| − | + | * Planning Free Software Advocacy: [[Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Street Team Outreach]] | |
| − | + | * [[Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP|Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project]] | |
| − | + | ** [http://studiotax.com/en/ Studio Tax] and UFile will work for tax returns in WINE (from [https://sobac.com/wiki/Financial_Software/Meeting_Notes_for_2016-08-15 KWNPSA Financial Software meeting], Aug 2016 | |
| − | + | * Did anyone go to [https://2017.toronto.wordcamp.org/ WordCamp Toronto]? 30 Sep - 1 Oct 2017 | |
| − | + | * Is anyone at [http://www.sleconf.org/2017/ the Software Language Engineering conference from ACM]? 23-24 October 2017, Vancouver, B.C. | |
If there's something else you want to discuss, add it to the this agenda! | If there's something else you want to discuss, add it to the this agenda! | ||
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* [https://www.bsdcan.org/2018/ BSDCan 2018]: 8-9 June 2018, Ottawa, Ontario | * [https://www.bsdcan.org/2018/ BSDCan 2018]: 8-9 June 2018, Ottawa, Ontario | ||
| + | ==== Meeting Notes ==== | ||
| + | ; Participants: [[User:BobJonkman|Bob Jonkman]], [[User:Singpolyma|Stephen Paul Weber]], [[User:Gknittl|Greg Knittl]], snowdusk | ||
| + | ; Audio Recording: https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-10-24.ogg (Size: 31.01 MBytes - Duration: 38m09s) ([https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/PodcastGenerator-master/?name=libreplanetontario-2017-10-24.ogg Podcast]) | ||
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| − | + | * https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ Purism Librem 5 | |
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| − | + | ===== [[Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP|Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project]] update ===== | |
| + | * Greg spoke with lawyer from CIPPIC | ||
| + | ** Greg needed to explain some concepts of Free Software to the lawyer | ||
| + | ** Discussion of security involved in paper form submission | ||
| + | ** Is the difficulty in getting developer access merely a (poor) way of certifying the tax software? | ||
| + | ** Access to ''My Account'' would work well for us, people would perform the submission themselves | ||
| + | ** What would happen if we circulated a spreadsheet to help people fill in their paper forms? | ||
| + | *** Perhaps CRA would disallow that too | ||
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| + | :: '''The right solution is to prosecute people who do the wrong thing after the fact, not to prevent people from doing the wrong thing beforehand, because that excludes also those of us who would like to do the right thing in a different way.''' --[[User:Singpolyma|Stephen Paul Weber]] | ||
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| + | :* What can be done? Charter challenge? Doubtful. | ||
| + | :** Outreach program is important; judges are a group of people that need to know these issues | ||
| + | :* Perhaps Greg will file Freedom Of Information requests to pry out some of this data | ||
| + | :* While this project is low on the list of priorities for CIPPIC, Greg will keep in touch, and the lawyer was encouraging. | ||
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| + | ===== keyboard.io ===== | ||
| + | * https://shop.keyboard.io/ is a keyboard and rudimentary pointing device with no nonfree software in it | ||
| + | ** Uses an Arduino, so it's hackable by the community | ||
| + | ** Expensive ($329 USD), but worth it | ||
| + | ** The keyboard has an expansion header inside, and each key has LED backlight | ||
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| + | ==== Text Channel ==== | ||
| + | <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> | ||
| + | [5:01 PM] Recording started | ||
| + | [8:56 PM] BobJonkman-mobile connected. | ||
| + | [9:03 PM] singpolyma connected. | ||
| + | [9:06 PM] greg connected. | ||
| + | [9:08 PM] greg: Hi anybody here? | ||
| + | [9:08 PM] snowdusk connected. | ||
| + | [9:09 PM] greg: I can hear you, but I have to figure out my push to talk button | ||
| + | [9:09 PM] snowdusk is now muted. | ||
| + | [9:11 PM] snowdusk: hi bobjonkman invited me! nice to meet you everyone! | ||
| + | [9:12 PM] snowdusk: thank you! | ||
| + | [9:12 PM] greg: still struggling with push to talk | ||
| + | [9:12 PM] snowdusk: i told him i will be listening only. i hope that's ok with everyone :) | ||
| + | [9:12 PM] singpolyma: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ finished over $2M so that's going to be very interesting to watch the development of | ||
| + | [9:19 PM] BobJonkman-mobile disconnected. | ||
| + | [9:44 PM] singpolyma: In other news I finally got my keyboard.io device on Monday, so I now have a keyboard (and rudimentary pointing device) with no nonfree software in it! | ||
| + | [9:44 PM] singpolyma: https://shop.keyboard.io/ | ||
| + | [9:59 PM] singpolyma disconnected. | ||
| + | [10:00 PM] greg disconnected. | ||
| + | [10:01 PM] BobJonkman connected. | ||
| + | [10:02 PM] BobJonkman: Hi Snowdusk! Still there? | ||
| + | [10:02 PM] snowdusk: yes im still here :D | ||
| + | [10:02 PM] BobJonkman: O hai! | ||
| + | [10:02 PM] BobJonkman: Just got back. | ||
| + | [10:03 PM] BobJonkman: I saw Greg and Singpolyma were on too | ||
| + | [10:03 PM] snowdusk: hi bobjonkman! thank u for inviiting me! i love the librem phone so cool | ||
| + | [10:03 PM] BobJonkman: I hope to get one of those, or a CopperheadOS phone | ||
| + | [10:05 PM] BobJonkman: Anyway, the meeting seems to be done, especially if you're staying on mute. | ||
| + | [10:05 PM] BobJonkman: Kinda funny, the radio DJ stays on mute | ||
| + | [10:05 PM] snowdusk: have a great night everyone! | ||
| + | [10:05 PM] snowdusk: oh haha | ||
| + | [10:06 PM] snowdusk: my voice is tired XD | ||
| + | [10:06 PM] snowdusk: joking | ||
| + | [10:06 PM] snowdusk: i have to go ! :D can i listen again next week? | ||
| + | [10:08 PM] BobJonkman: OK, TTYL | ||
| + | [10:08 PM] snowdusk: ttyl!!! | ||
| + | [10:08 PM] BobJonkman: This is every month on the 24th | ||
| + | </pre> | ||
Latest revision as of 16:17, 29 October 2017
Contents
Tuesday, 24 October 2017, 9:00pm-10:00pm EDT
- Location
- Online Mumble chat: mumble://libreplanetbr.org/LibrePlanet%20Ontario
Agenda
- Planning Free Software Advocacy: Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Street Team Outreach
-
Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
- Studio Tax and UFile will work for tax returns in WINE (from KWNPSA Financial Software meeting, Aug 2016
- Did anyone go to WordCamp Toronto? 30 Sep - 1 Oct 2017
- Is anyone at the Software Language Engineering conference from ACM? 23-24 October 2017, Vancouver, B.C.
If there's something else you want to discuss, add it to the this agenda!
Upcoming Events
- FSOSS: 26-27 October 2017 at Seneca College, Toronto, Ontario
- ConFoo: 4-6 December 2017 in Vancouver, B.C.
- KW Linuxfest: 27 January 2017 at Conestoga College, Kitchener, Ontario (Call For Presentations closes 1 November 2017)
- ConFoo: 7-9 March 2018, Montreal, Quebec
- LibrePlanet 2018: 24-25 March 2018, Cambridge, Massachusetts (Call For Sessions closes 2 November 2017)
- Creative Commons Global Summit 2018: 13-15 April 2018 in Toronto, Ontario
- BSDCan 2018: 8-9 June 2018, Ottawa, Ontario
Meeting Notes
- Participants
- Bob Jonkman, Stephen Paul Weber, Greg Knittl, snowdusk
- Audio Recording
- https://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-10-24.ogg (Size: 31.01 MBytes - Duration: 38m09s) (Podcast)
- https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ Purism Librem 5
Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project update
- Greg spoke with lawyer from CIPPIC
- Greg needed to explain some concepts of Free Software to the lawyer
- Discussion of security involved in paper form submission
- Is the difficulty in getting developer access merely a (poor) way of certifying the tax software?
- Access to My Account would work well for us, people would perform the submission themselves
- What would happen if we circulated a spreadsheet to help people fill in their paper forms?
- Perhaps CRA would disallow that too
- The right solution is to prosecute people who do the wrong thing after the fact, not to prevent people from doing the wrong thing beforehand, because that excludes also those of us who would like to do the right thing in a different way. --Stephen Paul Weber
- What can be done? Charter challenge? Doubtful.
- Outreach program is important; judges are a group of people that need to know these issues
- Perhaps Greg will file Freedom Of Information requests to pry out some of this data
- While this project is low on the list of priorities for CIPPIC, Greg will keep in touch, and the lawyer was encouraging.
- What can be done? Charter challenge? Doubtful.
keyboard.io
-
https://shop.keyboard.io/ is a keyboard and rudimentary pointing device with no nonfree software in it
- Uses an Arduino, so it's hackable by the community
- Expensive ($329 USD), but worth it
- The keyboard has an expansion header inside, and each key has LED backlight
Text Channel
[5:01 PM] Recording started [8:56 PM] BobJonkman-mobile connected. [9:03 PM] singpolyma connected. [9:06 PM] greg connected. [9:08 PM] greg: Hi anybody here? [9:08 PM] snowdusk connected. [9:09 PM] greg: I can hear you, but I have to figure out my push to talk button [9:09 PM] snowdusk is now muted. [9:11 PM] snowdusk: hi bobjonkman invited me! nice to meet you everyone! [9:12 PM] snowdusk: thank you! [9:12 PM] greg: still struggling with push to talk [9:12 PM] snowdusk: i told him i will be listening only. i hope that's ok with everyone :) [9:12 PM] singpolyma: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ finished over $2M so that's going to be very interesting to watch the development of [9:19 PM] BobJonkman-mobile disconnected. [9:44 PM] singpolyma: In other news I finally got my keyboard.io device on Monday, so I now have a keyboard (and rudimentary pointing device) with no nonfree software in it! [9:44 PM] singpolyma: https://shop.keyboard.io/ [9:59 PM] singpolyma disconnected. [10:00 PM] greg disconnected. [10:01 PM] BobJonkman connected. [10:02 PM] BobJonkman: Hi Snowdusk! Still there? [10:02 PM] snowdusk: yes im still here :D [10:02 PM] BobJonkman: O hai! [10:02 PM] BobJonkman: Just got back. [10:03 PM] BobJonkman: I saw Greg and Singpolyma were on too [10:03 PM] snowdusk: hi bobjonkman! thank u for inviiting me! i love the librem phone so cool [10:03 PM] BobJonkman: I hope to get one of those, or a CopperheadOS phone [10:05 PM] BobJonkman: Anyway, the meeting seems to be done, especially if you're staying on mute. [10:05 PM] BobJonkman: Kinda funny, the radio DJ stays on mute [10:05 PM] snowdusk: have a great night everyone! [10:05 PM] snowdusk: oh haha [10:06 PM] snowdusk: my voice is tired XD [10:06 PM] snowdusk: joking [10:06 PM] snowdusk: i have to go ! :D can i listen again next week? [10:08 PM] BobJonkman: OK, TTYL [10:08 PM] snowdusk: ttyl!!! [10:08 PM] BobJonkman: This is every month on the 24th
