Group: LibrePlanet Ontario/Meeting Notes/2016-07-24

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:'''Participants''': [[User:Gknittl|Greg Knittl]], [[User:BobJonkman|Bob Jonkman]], [[User:Sergiodj|Sergio Durigan Junior]], [[User:Singpolyma|Stephen Paul Weber]], [[User:Balleyne/Profile | Blaise Alleyne]], Daniel Villarreal.  
 
:'''Participants''': [[User:Gknittl|Greg Knittl]], [[User:BobJonkman|Bob Jonkman]], [[User:Sergiodj|Sergio Durigan Junior]], [[User:Singpolyma|Stephen Paul Weber]], [[User:Balleyne/Profile | Blaise Alleyne]], Daniel Villarreal.  
 
:'''Audio recording''': http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-07-24.ogg (73 MBytes, 1h30m)
 
:'''Audio recording''': http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-07-24.ogg (73 MBytes, 1h30m)
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===== Domain names =====
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* Bob Jonkman and Sergio Durigan Jr. have arranged domain name redirection:
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** [http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/ podcasts.libreplanet.ca] is now a CNAME for libreplanet.sobac.com
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** http://libreplaneton.ca/ now redirects to https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario
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===== Software Freedom Day 2016 =====
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(Saturday, 17 September 2016)
 +
* Venue?
 +
** Raul Suarez may have a venue in Kitchener-Waterloo
 +
** Stephen Paul Weber can arrange Kwartzlab as a venue
 +
* Some concern about target audience:
 +
** Outreach for entry level presentations?
 +
** Technical presentations for hard-core GNU/Linux users?
 +
** Demonstrations fall in between, appeal to neither
 +
** Everyone has seen "What is Free Software" presentation, but needed for new people
 +
** Outreach needed for people who have no understanding of Free Software and Free Culture at all
 +
*** People don't know that Freedom exists
 +
*** This is our target audience!
 +
*** People don't know that software can be made to do what they want, it's not like a microwave
 +
** Software comparisons may not be an effective way to promote Free Software
 +
** How to talk philosophy? More important, how to attract new people?
 +
* Our theme will be "How to convince people that Free Software exists, is legal, and is available to ordinary people"
 +
* To attract new people we can work on the streets, attracting passersby
 +
** Go to where people are, don't expect them to come to us
 +
** People who come to rooms are already the converted
 +
** Stephen Paul Weber does "Libre Streets" for Free Culture
 +
** Blaise Alleyne does campus outreach
 +
* Can have a room event as a follow up after street outreach
 +
** Answer questions like "How do you make money?", "Is it legal?"
 +
* University campus is more welcoming than a street corner for street activism
 +
** Follow-up venue can be at a nearby coffee shop
 +
* Need some brochures to remind street teamers of core points, also a take-along item for people
 +
* Three prong event:
 +
:# Prep the street team with talking points, &c.
 +
:# Go on the street to communicate the message of Software Freedom, and invite people to:
 +
:# Follow up event with a presentation, Q&A
 +
* Request an e-mail address for follow-up
 +
** E-mail is good for in-depth follow-up, people don't give up their e-mail address easily
 +
** Discussion mailing list, not a newsletter or announcement list
 +
** If there are few signups (10) then a personal follow may be better than a list
 +
* Needs followup, perhaps a Mumble meeting just for SFD
 +
 +
===== Tax software =====
 +
* Gregg Knittl has followed up with CRA
 +
** still asking questions
 +
** trying to find out what information CRA has for developers
 +
* Need: Defining and capturing tax calculation
 +
** Crowdsource them? Too much for Gregg Knittl to do himself
 +
** Gregg Knittl thinks CRA will not provide the tax calculations, will only verify a developed program
 +
** Forms like T1 are available, we may need to extract calculations from these
 +
* Wiki page has been updated: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
 +
* Gregg Knittl is waiting to receive test cases from CRA
 +
* If tax software cannot be made with source code available then we may need to switch to political lobbying rather than writing softare
 +
* Bob Jonkman's accountant was not interested in getting Free Software tax software, already uses proprietary software
 +
 +
===== Other stuff =====
 +
* Stephen Paul Weber's book has been featured on https://unglue.it/
 +
 +
===== More SFD =====
 +
* Gregg Knittl suggests People might be interested in Privacy, Encryption
 +
** Other tools, eg. Raw Therapee
 +
** Bob Jonkman has done several presentations on security, privacy and encryption (at last year's SFD)
 +
* Blaise Alleyne suggests using the Wiki and mailing list to organize SFD, no Mumble meeting
 +
* Bob Jonkman and Daniel Villarreal discuss strategies for attracting people to SFD
  
 
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==== Text channel ====

Latest revision as of 19:34, 22 July 2017

Sunday, 24 July 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Location: Mumble

Agenda

Minutes

Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Junior, Stephen Paul Weber, Blaise Alleyne, Daniel Villarreal.
Audio recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-07-24.ogg (73 MBytes, 1h30m)
Domain names
Software Freedom Day 2016

(Saturday, 17 September 2016)

  • Venue?
    • Raul Suarez may have a venue in Kitchener-Waterloo
    • Stephen Paul Weber can arrange Kwartzlab as a venue
  • Some concern about target audience:
    • Outreach for entry level presentations?
    • Technical presentations for hard-core GNU/Linux users?
    • Demonstrations fall in between, appeal to neither
    • Everyone has seen "What is Free Software" presentation, but needed for new people
    • Outreach needed for people who have no understanding of Free Software and Free Culture at all
      • People don't know that Freedom exists
      • This is our target audience!
      • People don't know that software can be made to do what they want, it's not like a microwave
    • Software comparisons may not be an effective way to promote Free Software
    • How to talk philosophy? More important, how to attract new people?
  • Our theme will be "How to convince people that Free Software exists, is legal, and is available to ordinary people"
  • To attract new people we can work on the streets, attracting passersby
    • Go to where people are, don't expect them to come to us
    • People who come to rooms are already the converted
    • Stephen Paul Weber does "Libre Streets" for Free Culture
    • Blaise Alleyne does campus outreach
  • Can have a room event as a follow up after street outreach
    • Answer questions like "How do you make money?", "Is it legal?"
  • University campus is more welcoming than a street corner for street activism
    • Follow-up venue can be at a nearby coffee shop
  • Need some brochures to remind street teamers of core points, also a take-along item for people
  • Three prong event:
  1. Prep the street team with talking points, &c.
  2. Go on the street to communicate the message of Software Freedom, and invite people to:
  3. Follow up event with a presentation, Q&A
  • Request an e-mail address for follow-up
    • E-mail is good for in-depth follow-up, people don't give up their e-mail address easily
    • Discussion mailing list, not a newsletter or announcement list
    • If there are few signups (10) then a personal follow may be better than a list
  • Needs followup, perhaps a Mumble meeting just for SFD
Tax software
  • Gregg Knittl has followed up with CRA
    • still asking questions
    • trying to find out what information CRA has for developers
  • Need: Defining and capturing tax calculation
    • Crowdsource them? Too much for Gregg Knittl to do himself
    • Gregg Knittl thinks CRA will not provide the tax calculations, will only verify a developed program
    • Forms like T1 are available, we may need to extract calculations from these
  • Wiki page has been updated: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
  • Gregg Knittl is waiting to receive test cases from CRA
  • If tax software cannot be made with source code available then we may need to switch to political lobbying rather than writing softare
  • Bob Jonkman's accountant was not interested in getting Free Software tax software, already uses proprietary software
Other stuff
More SFD
  • Gregg Knittl suggests People might be interested in Privacy, Encryption
    • Other tools, eg. Raw Therapee
    • Bob Jonkman has done several presentations on security, privacy and encryption (at last year's SFD)
  • Blaise Alleyne suggests using the Wiki and mailing list to organize SFD, no Mumble meeting
  • Bob Jonkman and Daniel Villarreal discuss strategies for attracting people to SFD

Text channel 

[8:50 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[8:50 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[8:50 PM] Connected.
[8:50 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!


[9:23 PM] Daniel: hi
[9:23 PM] Daniel: yes
[9:24 PM] Daniel: Daniel Villarreal here.
[9:24 PM] Daniel: howdy howdy
[9:38 PM] Daniel: event + message + enthusiasm = ?
[9:38 PM] sergiodj: guys, I guess I'll have to step out unfortunately. sorry about that.
[9:38 PM] Daniel: bye
[9:39 PM] balleyne: later
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: bob, just to make sure, what is the domain that the cname should be pointing to?
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: Thanx Sergio! TTYL
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: libreplanet.sobac.com
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: thanks
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: alright, ttyl!
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: so podcasts.libreplanet.ca => libreplanet.sobac.com
[9:50 PM] Daniel: maybe IRC chat?
[9:53 PM] Daniel: I wouldn't bother asking for email addresses.
[9:53 PM] Daniel: You're asking for commitment.
[9:56 PM] singpolyma: give people the opportunity that fits them specifically best
[9:57 PM] Daniel: Nope.
[9:59 PM] Daniel: Were the tax people forthcoming and easy to communicate with ?
[9:59 PM] Daniel: lol
[10:00 PM] Daniel: maybe you can ask them for a flowchart?
[10:01 PM] Daniel: Can't hurt to ask?
[10:01 PM] Daniel: ok
[10:01 PM] Daniel: definitely
[10:02 PM] Daniel: I think there's a lot of interest, but it's a daunting task.
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
[10:02 PM] Daniel: Thanks for your efforts
[10:13 PM] singpolyma: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Software_Freedom_Day_2016
[10:17 PM] singpolyma: I expect most software gets >60% rewritten every year
[10:17 PM] singpolyma: s/software/tax software
[10:18 PM] BobJonkman: https://quitter.no/notice/1974053
[10:20 PM] Daniel: thanks all.
[10:20 PM] singpolyma: Fun fact unrelated to the discussion: my children's book got randomly featured on https://unglue.it/ !
[10:24 PM] balleyne: we're pushing 10:30, I've gotta run very soon!
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: I like async for sure. so long as we actually do it ;)
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: sync forces us to act
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: For sure
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: agreed
[10:27 PM] Daniel: thanks. good night
[10:27 PM] Daniel: uh huh.
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