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The purpose is to keep this discussion page with basic instructions on how to maintain the wiki. There is also a to-do list for improvement.
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== [SUGGESTION] Placing important links at the front page? ==
  
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How about putting several important LibrePlanet links on the front page to make discovery easier? Featured pages are excellent, but they are not enough to convey more about what resources available at LibrePlanet website. Excellent examples given by The GNU Project website are that they do so. For example, the most important ones are Free Software Definition and GNU/Linux Distros Download at the bottom, while About, Education and Philosophy at the top. These make GNU.org very easy to navigate, access and understand -- it improves discoverability. I suggest LibrePlanet also put important pages on front page, for example:
  
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==Salutations in other languages (than English)==
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* Laptops Comparison: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Laptops_Comparison
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* End Software Patent https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:End_Software_Patents
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* Nonfree software blacklist https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines
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* Fight to Repair https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:FSF/Fight-to-Repair
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* Windows 7 Sins https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Windows_7_Sins
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* Open Document Format https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenDocument
  
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What is the general policy on how a user is greeted? It seems to be inconsistent at present, e.g. Dutch=informal, French=formal (main page).
 
  
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'''Suggestion applied''' to the main page of the LibrePlanet Wiki. Thank you very much for contributing your suggestions!
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- [[User:Kaiod|Kaiod]] ([[User talk:Kaiod|talk]]) 11:07, 26 February 2022 (EST)
  
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==Main page grouped by continents?==
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== Design Guidelines ==
  
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Hi , Here Ananth ,
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Design guidelines are basically references to existing documentation below. We will need to avoid using Tables to ensure an accessible and responsive portal for mobile devices.
  
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It is Great Moment , I Inspired by Richards Philosophy ,
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* SVG Logo: https://libreplanet.org/w/skins/Tweeki/custom/lp-logo.svg
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* UI theme mockup: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Libreplanet-theme-mediawiki
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* Theme doc: https://tweeki.thai-land.at/wiki/Welcome
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* Edit CSS on https://libreplanet.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tweeki.css
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* Edit Nav on https://libreplanet.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tweeki-navbar-left (right/brand)
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* Components ref: https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.3/components/alerts/
  
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we need freedom to do some thing ,
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== Navigation proposal ==
  
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[[File:Libreplanet-nav.png|class=img-responsive]]
  
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Thanks and regards,
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This is an initial framework for portal navigation. Following this structure, we can keep a "site map" documented here as a basic reference for organizing content.
  
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Ananth , Kiran Kumar
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== To-Do List ==
  
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* Involve as many people as possible to test the new theme.
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* Collaborate on article structure review and translation
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I've noticed two sets of redundant information one set more filled out that the other listing activists and continents/countries/states etc
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* Refresh local organizations page and propose default template
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I feel this is a terrible way to organize and really there should only be one set of information. 
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* Propose a default template for user profile
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* Structure the teams
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Also, the list of free software related clubs is not well filled out. Should we put regular old Linux User groups (even some members of them feel
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* Structure the events
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the whole GNU/Linux thing is too zealous) or leave a trisquel like policy on groups that are included?
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I would like to make the wiki better, but I don't want to end up making it worse.
 
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-Lori Nagel
 
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==Content and Purpose==
 
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The current event and community project pages are intended for, well events and projects. Apparently there is a conflict between the high traffic main page and suitable placement on other pages, potentially causing an edit war.
 
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Clearly, we need to arrive at an agreement and avoid giving the wrong message to other groups (all parties involved are FSF, I believe). Since the issue is about content, this is a good place to discuss it.
 
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To avoid escalating the situation, I have not removed the event link, but believe the one on the current events page is sufficient. There is no apparent culture here, so we should be careful what foundation we provide. Personally, I am trying to expand the wiki and realize it will take time before other users start exploring it again. However, the LibrePlanet event can assist in this process.
 
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The [[Project:LibrePlanet|Libre Planet project]] is specifically for webmasters to lay down the law and everyone else to comment on it. The [[LibrePlanet| Libre Planet]] group is intended specifically for the FSF to provide resource materials for Libre Planet, group networking, and upcomming FSF events.
 
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The ugly banner I added intentionally focuses on the other pages, to create public awareness because they now have important content.
 
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All I have done has been with the best intentions and ability. If I have offended anyone by my actions, I apologize. [[User:Blacky|Blacky]] 07:17, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 
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== Usability feedback and Groups ==
 
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When I saw a comment on [[Talk:GNU Generation]], I went looking for the PlayOgg page.  What I tried:
 
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# manually type in http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/PlayOgg - blank page
 
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# go to [[Main Page]] and use browser's find function for "playogg" - not there
 
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# clicked the "… further results" link at the bottom of the "My Group" box on the front page, then [http://groups.fsf.org/wiki?title==Special:Ask&offset==0&limit==500&q==[[Category%3AGroup]]&p==format%3Dbroadtable&order==ASC clicked the "500" so that I see all entries]; use browser's find function for "playogg" - not there
 
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# Put "playogg" into the search box in the left-hand side of page - no hits
 
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# Scrolled down a little on the search results page and saw a "Groups" box, ticked it, and clicked "Search" - still no hits
 
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# Repeated the previous step but this time I scrolled down further and saw there's a second, separate button for "Advanced search", clicked that - Bingo! [[Group:PlayOgg]]
 
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But had I not seen the comment on [[Talk:GNU Generation]], and if I wasn't a regular wiki user, I wouldn't have found it.  The failure of the second last step is a MediaWiki usability problem, probably not simple to fix.  Some ideas for reducing the other problems:
 
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* [[PlayOgg]] should be made a #REDIRECT to [[Group:PlayOgg]], and equivalent for all other groups
 
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* The MediaWiki search facility should include "Group" in its searches by default, instead of just "(Main)"
 
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* Maybe the [[Main Page]] should somehow offer quick/direct access to the things/groups people are most likely to come looking for
 
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* Maybe pages like [[Group:PlayOgg]] should be in [[:Category:Group]] so that they appear when people click the "… further results" link at the bottom of the "My Group" box on the front page
 
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Other ideas on improving intuitivity? [[User:Ciaran|Ciaran]] 01:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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:I agree with all those suggestions. I'd noticed the searching problem as well. I think maybe we can change that in our defaults. For right now, I'll ask about fixing the search, and I'll work on putting the groups into the group category. I'm hoping that Semantic MediaWiki will also help with this, because we will give pages properties that indicate that they are groups. --[[User:Johns|Johns]] 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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::The search issue is finally fixed. It will now look in the Group namespace by default, so that should go a long way toward helping people find things. We are also working on adding the <nowiki>[[is entity::group]]</nowiki> property to all the groups. I've added a link to what will be a full [[Group list]] to the front page as well. [[User:Johns|Johns]] 17:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 
  
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Note: if you edit this page, please sign your edit with 4 tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:Iank|Iank]] ([[User talk:Iank|talk]]) 15:20, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
  
 
== Where do I list my new page? ==
 
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I've still no idea where to link to these pages:
 
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I'm back complaining again... :-)
 
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I was looking at this page:
 
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* [[Group:Free_Software_Foundation/Tasks/ModifyNoScript]]
 
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and I wanted to look at the pages for the other High Priority Projects.  So I trim the URL and try:
 
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but find nothing. So I do a [http://libreplanet.org/wiki?title=Special%3ASearch&search=priority&go=OK search for "''priority''"] and pick the two most likely:
 
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but neither give me any way to find the pages for the other High Priority Projects.
 
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On the home page, nothing springs out at me but I look in "''Software Groups''".  I skim the text and find "[[Special:SearchByProperty/Organized-20around/software|software groups category]]".
 
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When I looked at that page, I realised: this wiki is made by a programmer, not a wiki user.
 
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So here's my annual comment (for 2012) about usability: I can't say I'm a guru (my authority is ruined by the lack of a contributor community on ''en.swpat.org''), but I think that libreplanet.org should have a higher ratio of regular contributors to short-term contributors.  The abundance of the latter indicates that lots of people are hearing about libreplanet.org and are interested in the idea and they're willing to make a page about something, but the fact that they don't come back and maintain that page or contribute to other pages means there's something wrong with the site.  Maybe it's that the site uses too many extensions and departs too much from what people expect a wiki -and particularly a MediaWiki wiki- to be.
 
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Wikis are pages of editable text where bits of that text can link to other pages and they should, IMO, generally resemble what people are familiar with: Wikipedia.  From years of editing wikis, I've seen that contributors tolerate inefficiency, and I suspect that they don't tolerate complexity or surprises. ...but until I've built a wiki with a thriving community, these comments are just one person's thoughts.
 
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Happy New Year! [[User:Ciaran|Ciaran]] 15:16, 31 December 2012 (EST)
 

Latest revision as of 15:29, 4 January 2024

[SUGGESTION] Placing important links at the front page?

How about putting several important LibrePlanet links on the front page to make discovery easier? Featured pages are excellent, but they are not enough to convey more about what resources available at LibrePlanet website. Excellent examples given by The GNU Project website are that they do so. For example, the most important ones are Free Software Definition and GNU/Linux Distros Download at the bottom, while About, Education and Philosophy at the top. These make GNU.org very easy to navigate, access and understand -- it improves discoverability. I suggest LibrePlanet also put important pages on front page, for example:


Suggestion applied to the main page of the LibrePlanet Wiki. Thank you very much for contributing your suggestions! - Kaiod (talk) 11:07, 26 February 2022 (EST)

Design Guidelines

Design guidelines are basically references to existing documentation below. We will need to avoid using Tables to ensure an accessible and responsive portal for mobile devices.

Navigation proposal

Libreplanet-nav.png

This is an initial framework for portal navigation. Following this structure, we can keep a "site map" documented here as a basic reference for organizing content.

To-Do List

  • Involve as many people as possible to test the new theme.
  • Collaborate on article structure review and translation
  • Refresh local organizations page and propose default template
  • Propose a default template for user profile
  • Structure the teams
  • Structure the events
  • ...

Talk archived


Note: if you edit this page, please sign your edit with 4 tildes: ~~~~ Iank (talk) 15:20, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Where do I list my new page?

I've made this page:

It isn't a group and doesn't need a group to form around it, and it isn't an essay either. It's just part of the wiki - an article, which I'll improve from time to time and I hope other transients will too. Does this wiki have a section for normal wiki pages :-) ? Ciaran 20:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

And this page:
Should I make a box on the Main Page for these pages?
Maybe the wiki needs a sitemap? The structure of this wiki seems to be missing something. It doesn't have the organic growth model, or the interconnectedness of other wikis. Is it possible that an over emphasis on Groups is harming the structure? Maybe a mixed Groups+normal_pages model would be better? Ciaran 17:26, 26 August 2012 (EDT)
And this:
. Ciaran 13:55, 4 November 2012 (EST)

Pages I made - happy home sought

I've still no idea where to link to these pages:

. Ciaran 01:10, 22 January 2013 (EST) (UPDATED)


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