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Notes from Previous Meetings

Friday, 24 March 2017, 9:00pm EDT

Location: Mumble

Agenda

If there's something else you want to discuss, add it to the this agenda!

Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: Sergio Durigan Jr., Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-03-24.ogg (Size: 52.5 MB - Duration: 60m50s)
  • Kicking the libreplanetbr.org Mumble server
  • Getting involved in Canadian politics; Electoral Reform
  • Update on Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
  • We haven't been using the Mailing list for project management, either the Street Outreach project or the Tax Software project
  • Setting up surveillance cameras and the networking involved
  • Other LibrePlanet mailing lists: Discussion and a list of lists
  • Contributing a future podcast of our meeting to Hacker Public Radio; perhaps create a special episode about the Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project
  • LibreOffice User Group in Waterloo Region, possibly Ontario- or Canada-wide
  • Ubuntu 17.04 "Zesty Zapus" Release Party on Thursday, 13 April 2017 at the Alio Restaurant in Toronto

Text Channel 

[9:11 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[9:11 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[9:11 PM] Connected.
[9:11 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!
[9:12 PM] Recording started
[9:19 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca connected.
[9:19 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca entered channel.
[9:23 PM] sergiodj: can you hear us greg?
[9:23 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca: no.
[9:23 PM] sergiodj: we've been talking for some minutes now
[9:23 PM] sergiodj: maybe you're on mute?
[9:23 PM] BobJonkman: Can you mute your mic?
[9:23 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca is now muted.
[9:23 PM] BobJonkman: Thanx!
[9:24 PM] BobJonkman: The background noise was stomping all over the channel
[9:29 PM] BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Meeting_Notes/2017-03-24
[9:29 PM] BobJonkman: That's the agenda
[9:46 PM] sergiodj: guys, sorry, our cat is having some issues here and I'll have to be AFK for a few moments.
[9:51 PM] sergiodj: back
[9:58 PM] sergiodj: I'll have to disconnect, we might have to give him some medication. sorry about that. I'll talk to you guys one the mailing list.
[9:58 PM] sergiodj disconnected.
[10:00 PM] BobJonkman: https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/
[10:16 PM] BobJonkman: http://hackerpublicradio.org
[10:24 PM] BobJonkman: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca/
[10:26 PM] Recording stopped

Friday, 24 February 2017, 9:00pm EST

Location: Mumble

Agenda

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Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: (unknown)
Audio Recording: No recording was made of this meeting

Tuesday, 24 January 2017, 9:00pm EST

Location: Mumble

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2017-01-24.ogg (Size: 46.8 MB - Duration: 21m35s)

There is no text channel transcript this month.

Saturday, 24 December 2016, 9:00pm EST

Location: Mumble

This is likely to be a short, sparsely attended meeting. If you can spare an hour away from your holiday festivities, please come join us!

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-12-24.ogg (Size: 3.3 MB - Duration: 1m43s)

No Text Channel notes this month.


Thursday, 24 November 2016, 9:00pm EST

Agenda

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Upcoming Events


Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl, Stephen Paul Weber (singpolyma), and Logan Streondj (greenmonk) in the Text Channel
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-11-24.ogg (Size: 17.86MB - Duration: 20m22s)

Text Channel 

[8:26 PM] Recording started
[8:26 PM] BobJonkman: I'm AFK at the start of the meeting, will be joining shortly
[8:58 PM] gknittl@sympatico.ca entered channel.
[9:06 PM] singpolyma entered channel.
[9:10 PM] singpolyma: also, I've done this: https://libremas.singpolyma.net/
[9:16 PM] singpolyma: sita sings the blues
[9:22 PM] BobJonkman: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chrishanukwandiwaleid&defid=6225840
[9:37 PM] greenmonk entered channel.
[9:37 PM] greenmonk: hi, my microphone not working
[9:37 PM] greenmonk: logan yep
[9:38 PM] greenmonk: I was just working on a thanksgiving piece for the bglug mailing list
[9:38 PM] greenmonk: then I remember the meeting
[9:38 PM] BobJonkman: https://libremas.singpolyma.net/
[9:38 PM] greenmonk: cool I'll check it out
[9:39 PM] greenmonk: is there a libreplanet ontario mailing list?
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: http://libreplanet.ca
[9:39 PM] greenmonk: thanks, found it :-)
[9:40 PM] greenmonk: alright, well guess I'll continue working on the email.
[9:40 PM] greenmonk: oh yea, I remember I wanted to say to the guy about the surveys that they should be authentic.
[9:40 PM] greenmonk: I can reply to the list regarding that as well.
[9:41 PM] greenmonk: sounds cool :-)
[9:41 PM] greenmonk: lol
[9:41 PM] greenmonk: k, alright well have a good night
[9:42 PM] greenmonk: hope to see you at the next bglug
[9:42 PM] greenmonk: I call them b-glug also
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: I actually haven't been able to attend as much since have a new son he is a month old now.
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: and bed time is about the same time as the meeting.
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: oh yes, I remember now.
[9:43 PM] greenmonk: lol, yeah, well I have two, the other is three years old
[9:44 PM] greenmonk: yep. alright we'll I'll get back to composing my email on what I've discovered about f-droid and password and encryption, will forward to libreplanet and bglug mailing lists
[9:44 PM] greenmonk: have a good night!
[9:45 PM] greenmonk disconnected.

Monday, 24 October 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Agenda

Upcoming Events

Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Jr., Blaise Alleyne, and Greg Knittl
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-10-24.ogg (41.4 MBytes, 51m05s)

Text Channel 

[8:54 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: Agenda: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting
[8:57 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: Getting a cuppa tea, BRB
[9:04 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting
[9:13 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: http://hackerpublicradio.org/
[9:14 PM] (Channel) balleyne: hi, just getting my headset!
[9:15 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario#Next_Meeting
[9:27 PM] (Channel) balleyne: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Software_Freedom_Day_2016
[9:48 PM] (Channel) BobJonkman: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2015/Canada/Toronto/LibrePlanet
[9:49 PM] (Channel) sergiodj: guys, I really have to go grab something to eat, sorry. shouldn't take long, I'll be back in a few minutes

Saturday, 24 September 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Agenda

Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Stephen Paul Weber, Greg Knittl, and Blaise Alleyne in text chat.
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-09-24.ogg (21.7 MBytes, 41m41s)

Wednesday, 24 August 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Agenda

Minutes

Participants: Bob Jonkman, Greg Knittl, Stephen Paul Weber, Blaise Alleyne, and Logan Streondj
Audio Recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-08-24.ogg (71 MBytes, 1h24m)

Links from the Text Channel

LibrePlanet Ontario Software Freedom Day: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Software_Freedom_Day_2016

LibrePlanet Ontario Free/Libre Canadian Tax Preparation Software Project: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP

Cippic (Canadian Internet Policy adn Public Interest Clinic): https://cippic.ca/

Waterloo Region Greens "Party Rally for Proportional Representation": http://wrgreens.ca/pr4pr/

Sunday, 24 July 2016, 9:00pm EDT

Location: Mumble

Agenda

Minutes

Participants: Greg Knittl, Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Junior, Stephen Paul Weber, Blaise Alleyne, Daniel Villarreal.
Audio recording: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-07-24.ogg (73 MBytes, 1h30m)
Domain names
Software Freedom Day 2016

(Saturday, 17 September 2016)

  • Venue?
    • Raul Suarez may have a venue in Kitchener-Waterloo
    • Stephen Paul Weber can arrange Kwartzlab as a venue
  • Some concern about target audience:
    • Outreach for entry level presentations?
    • Technical presentations for hard-core GNU/Linux users?
    • Demonstrations fall in between, appeal to neither
    • Everyone has seen "What is Free Software" presentation, but needed for new people
    • Outreach needed for people who have no understanding of Free Software and Free Culture at all
      • People don't know that Freedom exists
      • This is our target audience!
      • People don't know that software can be made to do what they want, it's not like a microwave
    • Software comparisons may not be an effective way to promote Free Software
    • How to talk philosophy? More important, how to attract new people?
  • Our theme will be "How to convince people that Free Software exists, is legal, and is available to ordinary people"
  • To attract new people we can work on the streets, attracting passersby
    • Go to where people are, don't expect them to come to us
    • People who come to rooms are already the converted
    • Stephen Paul Weber does "Libre Streets" for Free Culture
    • Blaise Alleyne does campus outreach
  • Can have a room event as a follow up after street outreach
    • Answer questions like "How do you make money?", "Is it legal?"
  • University campus is more welcoming than a street corner for street activism
    • Follow-up venue can be at a nearby coffee shop
  • Need some brochures to remind street teamers of core points, also a take-along item for people
  • Three prong event:
  1. Prep the street team with talking points, &c.
  2. Go on the street to communicate the message of Software Freedom, and invite people to:
  3. Follow up event with a presentation, Q&A
  • Request an e-mail address for follow-up
    • E-mail is good for in-depth follow-up, people don't give up their e-mail address easily
    • Discussion mailing list, not a newsletter or announcement list
    • If there are few signups (10) then a personal follow may be better than a list
  • Needs followup, perhaps a Mumble meeting just for SFD
Tax software
  • Gregg Knittl has followed up with CRA
    • still asking questions
    • trying to find out what information CRA has for developers
  • Need: Defining and capturing tax calculation
    • Crowdsource them? Too much for Gregg Knittl to do himself
    • Gregg Knittl thinks CRA will not provide the tax calculations, will only verify a developed program
    • Forms like T1 are available, we may need to extract calculations from these
  • Wiki page has been updated: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
  • Gregg Knittl is waiting to receive test cases from CRA
  • If tax software cannot be made with source code available then we may need to switch to political lobbying rather than writing softare
  • Bob Jonkman's accountant was not interested in getting Free Software tax software, already uses proprietary software
Other stuff
More SFD
  • Gregg Knittl suggests People might be interested in Privacy, Encryption
    • Other tools, eg. Raw Therapee
    • Bob Jonkman has done several presentations on security, privacy and encryption (at last year's SFD)
  • Blaise Alleyne suggests using the Wiki and mailing list to organize SFD, no Mumble meeting
  • Bob Jonkman and Daniel Villarreal discuss strategies for attracting people to SFD

Text channel 

[8:50 PM] Welcome to Mumble.
[8:50 PM] Connecting to server libreplanetbr.org.
[8:50 PM] Connected.
[8:50 PM] Welcome message:
Welcome to this server running Murmur.
Enjoy your stay!


[9:23 PM] Daniel: hi
[9:23 PM] Daniel: yes
[9:24 PM] Daniel: Daniel Villarreal here.
[9:24 PM] Daniel: howdy howdy
[9:38 PM] Daniel: event + message + enthusiasm = ?
[9:38 PM] sergiodj: guys, I guess I'll have to step out unfortunately. sorry about that.
[9:38 PM] Daniel: bye
[9:39 PM] balleyne: later
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: bob, just to make sure, what is the domain that the cname should be pointing to?
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: Thanx Sergio! TTYL
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: libreplanet.sobac.com
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: thanks
[9:39 PM] sergiodj: alright, ttyl!
[9:39 PM] BobJonkman: so podcasts.libreplanet.ca => libreplanet.sobac.com
[9:50 PM] Daniel: maybe IRC chat?
[9:53 PM] Daniel: I wouldn't bother asking for email addresses.
[9:53 PM] Daniel: You're asking for commitment.
[9:56 PM] singpolyma: give people the opportunity that fits them specifically best
[9:57 PM] Daniel: Nope.
[9:59 PM] Daniel: Were the tax people forthcoming and easy to communicate with ?
[9:59 PM] Daniel: lol
[10:00 PM] Daniel: maybe you can ask them for a flowchart?
[10:01 PM] Daniel: Can't hurt to ask?
[10:01 PM] Daniel: ok
[10:01 PM] Daniel: definitely
[10:02 PM] Daniel: I think there's a lot of interest, but it's a daunting task.
[10:02 PM] BobJonkman: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP
[10:02 PM] Daniel: Thanks for your efforts
[10:13 PM] singpolyma: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/Software_Freedom_Day_2016
[10:17 PM] singpolyma: I expect most software gets >60% rewritten every year
[10:17 PM] singpolyma: s/software/tax software
[10:18 PM] BobJonkman: https://quitter.no/notice/1974053
[10:20 PM] Daniel: thanks all.
[10:20 PM] singpolyma: Fun fact unrelated to the discussion: my children's book got randomly featured on https://unglue.it/ !
[10:24 PM] balleyne: we're pushing 10:30, I've gotta run very soon!
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: I like async for sure. so long as we actually do it ;)
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: sync forces us to act
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: For sure
[10:26 PM] singpolyma: agreed
[10:27 PM] Daniel: thanks. good night
[10:27 PM] Daniel: uh huh.

24 June 2016

A mumble meeting with Bob Jonkman, Blaise Alleyne, Stephen Paul Weber, and Greg Knittl. Allan joined us with text-only chat. An audio recording is available: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-06-24.ogg (31 MBytes, 41m14s)

Minutes

  1. Domain names: We'll ask Sergio Durigan Jr., our Hostmaster[1], to set the three domain names (libreplanet.ca, libreplaneton.ca, libreplanetontario.ca) so they're all aliases for our Wiki page https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario (but this will take a bit more jiggery-pokery than just an A record in DNS). Greg Wright can point the NS records for libreplanetontario.ca to the DNS server that Sergio uses. (Greg and Sergio should contact each other off-list to make this happen)
    1. Sergio will host most services on his server, although Bob Jonkman is happy to continue hosting audio files for an eventual podcast.
    2. libreplanet.ca will be the canonical domain name. Chapters will be a subdomain (so http://ontario.libreplanet.ca should also alias to https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario ) Services will be set up as subdomains for ease of administration. So, we'll eventually have nextcloud.libreplanet.ca, gnusocial.libreplanet.ca, gitlab.libreplanet.ca and any others. We can start with podcast.libreplanet.ca -- Bob will chat with Sergio off-list to set this up.
  2. Podcasts: Stephen Paul Weber (singpolyma) has a redo script to create a podcast .rss file from folders of audio files. Bob has git-cloned it; just need to figure out how to make it work. Bob will contact Stephon off-list about it. Script stuff at https://github.com/singpolyma/redo-podcast
  3. Lots of discussion on our Free/Libre Canadian Tax Prepartion Software Project, now fondly known as FLCTPSP. There's a wiki page to coordinate the project's activities at https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ontario/FLCTPSP Blaise had a link to a mailing list: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfc-discuss.

Agenda

Upcoming Events

24 May 2016

Topic: Government forms, Open Documents and Free Software.

A mumble meeting with Bob Jonkman, Sergio Durigan Junior, Stephen Paul Weber, and Greg Knittl. An audio recording is availble: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-05-24.ogg (42.3 MBytes, 54m46s).

24 April 2016

A mumble meeting with Greg Knittl, Blaise Alleyne, Bob Jonkman. No agenda, but an audio recording is available: http://podcasts.libreplanet.ca/libreplanetontario-2016-04-24.ogg (38.3 MBytes, 44m33s), joined in progress.

24 March 2016

A mumble meeting with Sergio Durigan Junior, Blaise Alleyne, Bob Jonkman, Stephen Paul Weber and Daniel Villarreal.

Agenda for 24 March 2016

    • Open Data Day (beginning of March) (not a DFF event)

19 September 2015

LibrePlanet Ontario celebrated Software Freedom Day with a series of presentations:

What Is Software Freedom
Sergio Durigan Jr. gives a bit of history of the Free Software movement, and explains why Free Software is not like Free Beer.
Free Software in Musical Performance
Blaise Alleyne has been performing music for many years. He uses Free Software to enhance his performance. He'll demonstrate some of the Free Software tools he uses.
Lightning Talks - Using Free Software To Make More Free Software
Aruna Hewapathirane tells us how Free Software let him customize his Free Operating System.
Lightning Talks - Open Source, Open Allocation
Rudolf Olah will be presenting on how open source projects use open allocation and why this is a pattern for future jobs and companies.
Free Culture Short Films
Laurel Russwurm shows a collection of films that have been released under a Creative Commons license, returned to the Public Domain, or that were never covered by copyright due to legal issues.
Email Privacy with Free Software
Bob Jonkman gives a quick overview of encryption, and shows off Free Software that secures your e-mail.
GnuPG/PGP Keysigning
Bob Jonkman will expand the Web of Trust by conducting a Formal Keysigning where people read their key fingerprints and vouch for each other. To participate in the Formal Keysigning please e-mail your public GnuPG/PGP key to Bob Jonkman at bjonkman@sobac.com For anyone who wants to create GnuPG keys there will be help available, followed by an Informal Keysigning. Bring your laptop if you're creating GnuPG keys!


28 July 2015

Our first mumble meeting! Happened at 7 p.m. and used LibrePlanet BR's mumble server (while we don't have our own).

  • We defined an initial agenda for our Software Freedom Day in Toronto
    • What is Free Software by Sergio
    •  ??? by Blaise
    • Keysigning party by Bob Jonkman
    • Free movie exhibition by Laurel L. Russwurm
    • Lightning talks (to be organized by Rudolf)
  • A few comments about the venue
    • We have to visit Mozilla's office to decide if it's a good place for the event, and if they are willing to have the event there.
    • Likewise, for hacklab.to (https://hacklab.to/)
    • Bob will contact GTALUG to find out about Ryerson
  • Things TODO now:
    • Create a wiki page. This page can be hosted here or at SFD's website.
    • Get to a point where we feel comfortable in sharing a "Save the Date" message.

29 June 2015

Held at the HeroBurger restaurant on Mt. Pleasant Rd.

  • We lamented the state of Free Software gaming, and the prevalence of proprietary gaming engines like Steam.
  • We lamented the state of Free Software administration, and how it seems that SysAdmins today don't know how to use Free Software tools.
  • Outreach:
    • Sergio and Bob attended the Ubuntu/Debian Release Party in April
    • Rudolf attended a computer language interest group [I forgot details]
    • Bob attended a MapTime meetup in May, and a couple of GTALUG meetings
  • Some of us (Bob, Sergio) exchanged GnuPG fingerprint strips, with the intention of digitally signing each others' keys. This could become a regular occurrence at LibrePlanet meetings.
  • We discussed Software Freedom Day:
    • Software Freedom Day is Saturday, 19 September 2015
    • A venue is needed. Suggested locations:
      • Alleyne Inc. offices (Blaise will check)
      • Mozilla offices (Sergio will attend a MapTime or Mappy Hour[1] and investigate availability)
      • FreeGeek Toronto (someone needs to contact them)
    • Suggested format? After some discussion, it was decided to keep it simple for the first year. One stream of programming, with a second stream of Free Culture films; Laurel Russwurm can repeat the Free Culture Film Festival held in Kitchener in 2014.
    • Suggested schedule:
      • 10:30am - Presentation: What Is Free Software (Sergio)
      • 11:30am - Five Lightning Talks (organized by Rudolf)
      • 12:00am - Presentation (TBD)
      • 1:00pm - Presentation (TBD)
      • 2:00pm - Workshop (TBD)
    • Need to reach out to other Free Software organizations in Toronto; issue a Call For Presentations, Lightning Talks

20 January 2015

LibrePlanetOntario meeting 2015-01-20.txt (2.3 kBytes)

Duke of Kent Pub, Yonge & Eglinton, Toronto, Ontario

(bullet points rearranged slightly from the order in which they were discussed)

Meetings

  • Host some meetings in other locations, eg. Kitchener-Waterloo or Ottawa
    • There was some interest from people in KW, but lack of easy/cheap prevents them from attending meetings in KW
    • There have been sightings of Libre Software people from the Otttawa area in the IRC channel ( irc://irc.freenode.net/#lp-ca-on )
  • Meetings should be scheduled at regular times and at a regular venue
    • We'll try the Alleyne Computer Centre (???)
    • Meetings on a Saturday would encourage turnout from other localities
    • Hold virtual meetings to alternate with meatspace meetings
  • Streamcast meatspace meetings with a full stack of Libre software
    • The software demonstrated
    • The platform OS running the software demonstrated
    • The streamcasting recording/broadcast software
    • The editing software
    • The output format should be in an open format, released under a Free Culture license

Web site

Other

  • Matt Lee from the FSF will be coming to Toronto on (??? Dates ???)
    • Invite Matt Lee to speak at the next LibrePlanet Ontario meeting
    • There should certainly be a post-meeting meeting at a local pub!
  • Free Software projects could have a "Product Channel"
    • Corporations can issue RFQs, Purchase Orders, buy a license, get it all OK'd by their Legal Dept.
    • Channel partners (independent consultants, perhaps the developers) can provide support
    • Dual-license for corporate use? Maybe, maybe not.
    • May result in things like Marketing Managers on Free Software products; project focus being driven by sales rather than what's good for the project

13 September 2014

LibreTea

A meeting of LibrePlanet Ontario, Ubuntu-Canada Toronto Chapter, and Toronto Crypto. Writeup at LibreTea and Free Culture | Laurel L. Russwurm's Free Culture Blog.

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